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I too have flagged and driven at night. I think IMSA was correct in their handling of the PC but other issues besides Myrick being zoned out contributed to the accident. Cloth yellows are a little less noticeable than lights at night although Daytona is pretty bright. I think the real problem is that the flag station isn't early enough for the speed and really needs to be visible before the start of the braking zone.
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I got 2 hours sleep (5-7AM) in my hire car, parked in the lot opposite the speedway. So that looks like luxury to me Matt.
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3 hours during the race itself for me(230-530a), but it was pretty nice for the other nights I was there. Next year I'll put more air into it or get a taller one though...can't go wrong for $8 though!
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IMSA could also adopt the in car "marshal in the cab" system that the WEC uses, though that might do little for drivers who ignore or are inattentive to local yellows.
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Also, from experience, you can usually get an idea how much blockage or how dangerous the oncoming yellow is for you as a driver based on the fervor that the marshall is using in waving the yellow. If it looks like they're being attacked by a swarm of bee's -- you need to check up and not be stupid. If they're gently fanning themselves on a warm day, there's probably something easily avoidable, yet still on the racing surface. Of course, this all assumes it's your first time by the incident. If they keep the local yellow up for multiple laps, they assume you know what the situation is and will drive accordingly while they start to relax on the waving. I also like how some discussing this topic now seem to think the track is pitch black in the night, while as before they wonder why the cars even use headlights because it's so lit up at night. Lastly, I think Barfield is a nice guy, doing a VERY good job in race control and is the correct person for the job. But due to the way he has called some of the IMSA races I've been involved in since last year (WGI/Petit) and watching Daytona on TV... it's clear that his "driver safety" versus "show must go on" ratio isn't as balanced as I'd like. Not that I'm saying he's reckless, but it's clear to me that he's willing to risk the drivers safety more than his predecessors in exchange for more entertainment. -mike |
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Again, maybe IMSA should be looking at what the ACO/FIA are doing with the WEC. Granted, it'll never be perfect, since Fretias has called for FCYs in some instances when the situation could've been covered by local yellows (example, when the Morand Pescarolo/Morgan got stuck in the gravel in turn 1 at Fuji because the car ran out of steering lock to turn onto an access road and needed to be pushed back).
But then again, Barfield basically works for--and IMSA is owned largely by--NASCAR and people associated with NASCAR. And we know that NASCAR doesn't hardly know a lick about how to use FCYs nor local yellows in their own races. Rathered have guys like Fretias and Barfield who are lightly left or right of center on the FCY issue than a guy who'd call a FCY for a gum wrapper on track or one who wouldn't call any type of yellow for any accident or incident. |
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Do you think Race control should have called the broken exhaust DP back for driver safety/health reasons?
Last edited by Ephaeton; 4 Feb 2016 at 19:02. Reason: that looked trollish at first, let's try this. +DP, not DB |
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However, like I posted on facebook after the race -- I think it's time to investigate CO sensors hooked up to the telemetry in the cockpit. Similar to what the ACO has mandated for GTE cockpit temperatures over the last several years. -mike |
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Their radio procedures don't change that. They failed at their job. They ignored the need for an FCY until it was too late to prevent the damage from being done. Quote:
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Knowing there is a local yellow does not help if you do not know the exact location of the problem. In most cases the problem can be seen well in advance, but in THIS case the stopped car was out of sight until well past corner entry so if a radio problem prevented the team from getting Meryick the information, then he would have no idea where the thing he needed to avoid is. There is NO EXCUSE for IMSA's failure on this. None. They screwed up and it took two cars out of the race. Including one which, coincidentally, the DP team owners had been whining to officials about for the entire race because it DARED to lead the race instead of their DPs. BTW, folks, sorry if I seems a bit...forceful on this, but I feel very strongly about it for very good reason; I've been on a racetrack with inept race control more than once, and I've seen what can go wrong if bad decisions are made. I raced in series where we don't have ANY radio communication, and I've seen the shortcomings of local yellows firsthand as a result. I've seen crashes so bad resulting from it(including a near-decapitation!) that I would rather see a full-course yellow every time a car stops in the middle of the track(even when it's not around a blind corner) than risk cases like this. The only reason I don't advocate for that extreme is because I know that despite my concerns it isn't necessary of the vehicle is in easy sight of the drivers before entry to a corner. Last edited by FormulaFox; 4 Feb 2016 at 20:22. |
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DW vs PC vs FCY.
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iOS, got the IMSA app right before the 6 Hour weekend last year, and that was the same time I got my iPhone, so I couldn't tell you how it acts on an Android device. :\
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I didn't even bother reinstalling it, no need to try. Just leave the a tab open with scoring.imsa.com and it worked fine on the phone.
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The iOS app worked well.
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A quite complete Statistical overview (just top-speed of 3 classes still missing) can be found in our race-Report-page: (just beneath the results)
http://www.gt-eins.de/Berichte2016/2....html#Ergebnis So just Derani made the difference for the win. By the way: excellent work from our photographer on location (see above the results) |
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