WEC Rebellion Racing - Page 59

Deleted · 6 Jun 2016, 23:31 (Ref:3647824)

The front livery on that Eurasia Oreca actually looks quite a bit like the old Rebellion colors

Anyway, I find it quite interesting that the Rebellions scored better times on Sector 1 than the Toyotas, but not on Sector 2 where you would think their top straight line speed would've mattered the most.
http://fiawec.alkamelsystems.com/Res...ial%20Test.PDF

TzeiTzei · 7 Jun 2016, 05:10 (Ref:3647859)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

The front livery on that Eurasia Oreca actually looks quite a bit like the old Rebellion colors

Anyway, I find it quite interesting that the Rebellions scored better times on Sector 1 than the Toyotas, but not on Sector 2 where you would think their top straight line speed would've mattered the most.
http://fiawec.alkamelsystems.com/Res...ial%20Test.PDF

I think that the S2 is a very good example of the advantage that the hybrids have. Speed trap figures don't mean that much with these cars. S1 is interesting. The Toyotas would seem to lack downforce, which affects them also in S3. Also the Rebellions matched the Toyotas in the Porsche curves.

TF110 · 7 Jun 2016, 06:02 (Ref:3647862)

I saw that on the timing and scoring page. But Toyota ran with their package for only the second time so more setup work could give them some bigger gains. Anything new on the Rebellion? The car seems similar to every other race.

Gingers4Justice · 7 Jun 2016, 08:56 (Ref:3647895)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiana

The front livery on that Eurasia Oreca actually looks quite a bit like the old Rebellion colors

Anyway, I find it quite interesting that the Rebellions scored better times on Sector 1 than the Toyotas, but not on Sector 2 where you would think their top straight line speed would've mattered the most.
http://fiawec.alkamelsystems.com/Res...ial%20Test.PDF

Overall top speed is not as important as how quickly you reach your top speed, and for how long you stay there.

Mike E · 7 Jun 2016, 11:10 (Ref:3647918)

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Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

Overall top speed is not as important as how quickly you reach your top speed, and for how long you stay there.

Absolutely right. As Paul Truswell might have said, it's not the height of the curve that matters, it's the area underneath it.

Deleted · 7 Jun 2016, 11:33 (Ref:3647922)

I wasn't questioning the speed thing itself (I always use Force India 2008 as example of top speed meaning nothing if rest of the package is inferior), but why it's specifically S1 where both of the Orecas lead Toyota

fefe · 19 Jun 2016, 20:39 (Ref:3653605)

Does anyone know what happend to car #13 in 24h le mans ?

So annoying when the live timing said "Run" but they didn´t, they had retired.
Also annoying when @RebellionRacing on twitter always tell us when they win, but never when they DNF or what problem as caused stops.
Maybe their twitter feed isn´t for their supporters... more likely for their partners/sponsors ?

fefe · 20 Jun 2016, 13:08 (Ref:3653829)

Thanks to Mathéo Tuscher's IG I got the answer - injector failure caused the retirement.

Artur · 20 Jun 2016, 23:43 (Ref:3653999)

Oh how ironic that after all the talk of Rebellions possibly winning LM, due to reliability, that they were the ones that most suffered of them!

Deleted · 22 Jun 2016, 14:29 (Ref:3654449)

I have been debating which was more embarrassing, the general repeat of last year race's disastrous performance, or climbing up to the overall podium first before any of the others including the Porsche-Toyota-Audi trio, to receive giant trophies for 29th place finish in glorified sub class where the other two competitors didn't even finish, and position which was behind LMGTE-AM winners...

Shameful. I'm sorry Rebellion but it is.

Akrapovic · 22 Jun 2016, 17:02 (Ref:3654485)

I'd don't understand why it's shameful for Rebellion but ByKolles are declared heros for setting fire to their car at every opportunity, whilst being slower too.

Deleted · 22 Jun 2016, 17:29 (Ref:3654492)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

I'd don't understand why it's shameful for Rebellion but ByKolles are declared heros for setting fire to their car at every opportunity, whilst being slower too.

Rebellion is my favorite team on the grid so I'm not biased here.

Of course Kolles is gonna get "lighter" treatment whenever they manage to perform less terribly than usual, because that's the role of the underdog, lowered expectations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZQQT3ljDdw

You expect way more from Rebellion than you do of Kolles. And whenever I "praise" Kolles it's not really for their underwhelming results or admittedly dog of a car, but more that they still want to try. They are bringing new stuff everywhere and supporting a class other privateers have rejected. They are also vocally saying why LMP2 isn't that great (for them).

If ByKolles had "won" the sub class in the same 29th place I would've still said the same thing about it being embarrassing. JUST as I have in the past, even last fall in 6 hour races.

But that's more reference to the sub class as whole than either Rebellion or Kolles. There shouldn't be a separate podium ceremony...

MaskedRacer · 22 Jun 2016, 19:07 (Ref:3654512)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

Rebellion is my favorite team on the grid so I'm not biased here.

Of course Kolles is gonna get "lighter" treatment whenever they manage to perform less terribly than usual, because that's the role of the underdog, lowered expectations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZQQT3ljDdw

You expect way more from Rebellion than you do of Kolles. And whenever I "praise" Kolles it's not really for their underwhelming results or admittedly dog of a car, but more that they still want to try. They are bringing new stuff everywhere and supporting a class other privateers have rejected. They are also vocally saying why LMP2 isn't that great (for them).

If ByKolles had "won" the sub class in the same 29th place I would've still said the same thing about it being embarrassing. JUST as I have in the past, even last fall in 6 hour races.

But that's more reference to the sub class as whole than either Rebellion or Kolles. There shouldn't be a separate podium ceremony...

After the Le Mans 24 this year I hope the Rebellion will finally get the better sense to get out of this no mans land of a "sub class". I think they would make a great factory supported GT team for some manufacturer out there.

**skycafe** · 22 Jun 2016, 19:14 (Ref:3654513)

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Originally Posted by MaskedRacer

I think they would make a great factory supported GT team for some manufacturer out there.

I don't know their full history, but hasn't it always been in prototypes? Also, how many manufacturers with a suitable GT, and the desire to fund such a program are out there?

Deleted · 22 Jun 2016, 19:16 (Ref:3654514)

Always protos

I wonder, had the #13 not failed but kept going on the similar projected pace as in the first half of the race til the finish, would they have managed to beat either of the much delayed Audis?

**skycafe** · 22 Jun 2016, 19:36 (Ref:3654520)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

Always protos

Thanks! That is what I was thinking, and it allows them to showcase their sponsorship, where on a GT car it ends up being overshadowed by the manufacturer, at least to my thinking.

TF110 · 23 Jun 2016, 05:19 (Ref:3654589)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

Always protos

I wonder, had the #13 not failed but kept going on the similar projected pace as in the first half of the race til the finish, would they have managed to beat either of the much delayed Audis?

I think they would have ended up fourth without the issues. I said it in the Kolles thread, but I think it's time for another engine.

BSchneiderFan · 23 Jun 2016, 12:29 (Ref:3654660)

The truth is that under the current regulations, privateer LMP1s have no chance of being competitive, and so few teams have taken up the challenge that the sub-class looks pretty pathetic.

Is it impossible for a privateer team to run a hybrid, if the manufacturers were willing to sell on year-old cars? I think of Champion Racing's efforts with the Audi R8, and indeed Team Goh. Surely it would be an income stream for the manufacturers?

Giba · 23 Jun 2016, 12:40 (Ref:3654665)

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Originally Posted by skycafe

I don't know their full history, but hasn't it always been in prototypes? Also, how many manufacturers with a suitable GT, and the desire to fund such a program are out there?

Rebellion racing is the current name for what was speedy racing team sebah in 2008 and 2009. Team Sebah as Sebah automotive won the 2004 and 2005 LMS GT2 titles in a Porsche

BSchneiderFan · 23 Jun 2016, 13:12 (Ref:3654674)

Might they not be better off in Blancpain?

Ephaeton · 23 Jun 2016, 13:24 (Ref:3654676)

I suppose they who'd recognize "Rebellion" as a luxury watch manufacturer would recognize "Blancpain" as well... Wondering whether Blancpain has similar restrictions to advertising (luxury ?) watches as Tudor (then USCC, then IWSC, let's call it IMSA) has/had back when it was called tudor...

Akrapovic · 23 Jun 2016, 14:04 (Ref:3654688)

It's fine saying that a team might be better off elsewhere, but that doesn't take into account what the team wants to do. It'd be easier for them to run in P2 as well, but they clearly don't want to. And it'd be easier to run a GT car, but they clearly don't want to.

If it was only about business and what's easy, we wouldn't have the lovely P4/5 or the SCG003C either. Maybe Rebellion want to run a prototype in the top class, as their first option no matter what.

chernaudi · 23 Jun 2016, 15:15 (Ref:3654706)

And they could probably just shove the new Gibson LMP2 V8 in the back of their car and run it as a Rebellion-badged Oreca (tubs between the R-One and the Oreca 05/07 are virtually identical in all important facets). But that does mean that Rebellion would have to get rid of some of their gold and platinum rated drivers, especially in the #12.

Maybe the desire to run an all-pro line up in at least one of their cars also deters them from running in LMP2. Also, for Rebellions platinum and gold drivers, there's not really any room at the inns at Audi, Porsche and Toyota unless they fire/lay off several drivers, or several drivers leave those teams.

And even then, Audi, Porsche, and Toyota have several others in the driver development pipeline to replace a driver who retires or leaves the team. And with the possible exception of Buemi (RBR reserve/test driver and has been linked to a return to F1 with Renault in a deal brokered between RBR and Renault), I don't see any of the factory drivers defecting from their current employers anytime very soon.

**skycafe** · 23 Jun 2016, 23:06 (Ref:3654781)

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Originally Posted by Giba

Rebellion racing is the current name for what was speedy racing team sebah in 2008 and 2009. Team Sebah as Sebah automotive won the 2004 and 2005 LMS GT2 titles in a Porsche

Thank you! I had forgotten that.

Mike E · 24 Jun 2016, 08:53 (Ref:3654854)

Pretty sure I recently heard Bart Hayden mention GTs as a possibility for Rebellion, but I can't remember where.

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