Grp C/Grp A/V8SC 'Where are they now?' continued... - Page 59

**GTRMagic** · 13 Jun 2007, 12:16 (Ref:1935877)

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Originally Posted by racer69

How can a car that has never run in Australian Group A be able to race over here? Or have they changed the rules for the category?

The car is Group 'A' eligible, with a BTCC heritage, and logbook.... presumably it does not need a CAMS "Certificate of Description" for identification purposes.

It is certainly quicker than the 325 BMW already in that team's stable

vkracer · 13 Jun 2007, 12:44 (Ref:1935902)

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Originally Posted by David Towe

are we allowed to know who the new owner is?

a Sydney sider, and the Jagparts VK looks like it too may be headed to Sydney

**chunterer** · 13 Jun 2007, 13:11 (Ref:1935921)

One of Graham Goode's cars?!!

**GTRMagic** · 13 Jun 2007, 13:16 (Ref:1935924)

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Originally Posted by chunterer

One of Graham Goode's cars?!!

Sure is...

drbob · 13 Jun 2007, 21:50 (Ref:1936357)

I suppose these photos should go in this thread rather than the doco Godzilla threa
This one is also on its way back to Oz

mtpanorama · 13 Jun 2007, 23:08 (Ref:1936425)

Great to see another godzilla back in the country. Hopefully we will see it on the track in the near future.

William Dale Jr · 14 Jun 2007, 00:00 (Ref:1936443)

Not just another Godzilla, either, but the 1991 Bathurst-winner if I've got my sums right.

DAVID PATERSON · 14 Jun 2007, 03:28 (Ref:1936525)

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Originally Posted by terryobeirne

I own 2 ex Bob Holden Sprinters including the 1st local GpA Car built, which I ran in IP for a while & am now restoring. The Rally Experience Sprinter was stuffed into a wall at Mallala about 2 years ago & I rescued it before the crusher. It just got a new front cut and turret (it rolled off the trailer coming home from 89 bathurst and Mal Rea patched it). Brad Stratton still owns his FWD Corolla and Scott King has 2 ex TTA FWDs. The first TTA Sprinter/Levin is in melboune in a million bits & its sister car is in Bathurst museum. Mal Reas old Sprinter recently changed hands in Sydney. The Bob Holden FWD Corolla has vanished in WA.

UPDATE:
Brad Stratton's Corolla has recently been sold to a fellow Qlder and is being restored to race in Group C&A.
TerryO has now added a FWD Corolla to his stable, i think it's the Bob Holden car.
Does anyone have any further news on the TTA Sprinter in Melbourne, Mal Rea's Sprinter or Scott King's FWD cars?

David Towe · 14 Jun 2007, 08:07 (Ref:1936670)

Racer, Re the Listering Sierra,
I think you'll find that the rule is the car has to have genuine, proven competition history and comply with the rules in place at the meeting the car is built to represent. In other words if the car is representing the Silverstone round of the BTCC in 1988, then the car must be mechanically and visually the same as the rules in place at that meeting. The one exception to that is that signage may be removed but not changed or added to. This allows for an owner who may have a specific reason to dislike a sponsor that was on the car at the represented meeting being able to remove them from the car they present at race meeting today.
I looked at the Labbatts BMW M3 from the BTCC, but it was only ever run in 2 litre trim so I would probably have been going slower than my current car.
GTR, it will need a CAMS C of D before it can race, however, temporary permits are issued by CAMS during this process as long as they can see some progress in the C of D application process.

drbob · 14 Jun 2007, 08:26 (Ref:1936675)

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Originally Posted by William Dale Jr

Not just another Godzilla, either, but the 1991 Bathurst-winner if I've got my sums right.

William what do your sums say

William Dale Jr · 14 Jun 2007, 09:52 (Ref:1936719)

Well, I only know of 1 Gibson GTR that was sold overseas, and it just happened to be the one that took the first Japanese win in the 1000. Now I read that a Gibson GTR is returning to its motherland. 1 + 1 = 2, hopefully!

drbob · 14 Jun 2007, 21:46 (Ref:1937243)

GMS built 5 GTRs
1 went to south east asia in 1992.Ran in the Asian TCC, maintained by GMS, for about 2 years and has been in storage since then
Skaife totalled one, Adelaide GP meeting 1990
Lindsay Fox has one, said to be the 91 Bathurst winner
GMS built one for Bob Forbes - the GIO car
and Terry Ashwood has one, the 92 Bathurst winner

DAVID PATERSON · 15 Jun 2007, 03:26 (Ref:1937413)

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Originally Posted by DAVID PATERSON

UPDATE:
Brad Stratton's Corolla has recently been sold to a fellow Qlder and is being restored to race in Group C&A.
TerryO has now added a FWD Corolla to his stable, i think it's the Bob Holden car.
Does anyone have any further news on the TTA Sprinter in Melbourne, Mal Rea's Sprinter or Scott King's FWD cars?

I have rembered another Group A Corolla, the Ratcliff Sprinter from the '80s, who know where that went?

William Dale Jr · 15 Jun 2007, 05:48 (Ref:1937458)

I'm not sure, but I think that car became the red and white car used by Geoff Full to great effect to win the baby car class at Bathurst a couple of times.

The TTA Sprinter went to Richard Steigler originally, didn't it?

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Originally Posted by drbob

Lindsay Fox has one, said to be the 91 Bathurst winner

Really? That's the first time I've ever heard that car being referenced to as the '91 winner. All the other material that I've read - including David Greenhalgh's articles in early editions of MRA - suggested that it was the car that was sold to Asia that was the Bathurst-winner. That said, I think I tried to work it out once and, if that really was the case, Skaife would've won the 1992 ATCC in the original GTR that debuted in 1990, which just doesn't seem right.

KA · 15 Jun 2007, 06:55 (Ref:1937489)

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Originally Posted by David Towe

Racer, Re the Listering Sierra,
I think you'll find that the rule is the car has to have genuine, proven competition history and comply with the rules in place at the meeting the car is built to represent. In other words if the car is representing the Silverstone round of the BTCC in 1988, then the car must be mechanically and visually the same as the rules in place at that meeting.

It certainly matches up with Goode's 1988 car visually
http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-04-17-021.jpg
(photo from 1988 Donington ETCC round, hence different race number. Goode shared the car with BTCC team-mate Mike Newman, presumably why both names appear on the car. I think I've read somewhere that Newman still has his car?)

In a way, it's a pity to see it leave the UK, but there doesn't seem to be the same amount of interest in Group A over here at present...

racer69 · 15 Jun 2007, 07:15 (Ref:1937496)

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Originally Posted by KA

It certainly matches up with Goode's 1988 car visually
http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-04-17-021.jpg
(photo from 1988 Donington ETCC round, hence different race number. Goode shared the car with BTCC team-mate Mike Newman, presumably why both names appear on the car. I think I've read somewhere that Newman still has his car?)

In a way, it's a pity to see it leave the UK, but there doesn't seem to be the same amount of interest in Group A over here at present...

Newman does, at least in 2005 he still did. It featured in 'Motorsport' that year in it's Top 20 Touring Car Drivers list, still in the black "Listerine" livery from the 1990 BTCC.

KA · 16 Jun 2007, 16:25 (Ref:1938646)

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Originally Posted by racer69

Newman does, at least in 2005 he still did. It featured in 'Motorsport' that year in it's Top 20 Touring Car Drivers list, still in the black "Listerine" livery from the 1990 BTCC.

that's probably where I remember it from....

KA · 16 Jun 2007, 16:40 (Ref:1938666)

A question prompted by a pic on another thread:
http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....5&postcount=96

a quote from the 1985 Bathurst yearbook

'The no16 example, a pukka English entry, was also an Andy Rouse-built machine and was in fact driven by Rouse in 1984. It was originally built for production racing and had done a hard season in that form before being purchased by Englishman Lawrence Fagg, who converted it to Group A and brought it to Bathurst for fellow Englishmen Barry Robinson and Jon Jeffery to drive. The car raced with carburettors on its 3.5 litre V8 and rear drums which contributed to it being uncompetitive in what was to be its last race before sale'

The Bathurst entry was in the name of Flexible Hose Supplies Ltd. Robinson & Jeffery qualified down in 51st of 52 and retired with accident damage after 59 laps.

From the description in the Bathurst yearbook, this sounds like it might have been the ex-Pete Hall ICS production Rover from 1984.

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/b...ralfacapri.jpg
(photo copyright Colin Stubbs)

Hall's company ICS were Rouse's long-time major sponsor, and when Rouse moved on from Rovers to Ford in 85, Hall stepped up from production saloons to the BTCC using an ex-Rouse 1984 BTCC Rover.

I'm know the Robinson/Jeffery car has been mentioned on ten-tenths before (most recently in the 'TWR/Group A' Rover thread in 'motorsport history') but does anyone know more about the Bathurst entry? pics and any ideas on what happened to the car after Bathurst would be very useful....

**GTRMagic** · 16 Jun 2007, 23:50 (Ref:1939194)

Wanna buy a race car off eBay? Here

gkmarshall · 17 Jun 2007, 08:20 (Ref:1939543)

There's another interesting car on ebay item No 110138118342, I don't know how to put the page up I'm sure someone out there can.

**GTRMagic** · 17 Jun 2007, 08:34 (Ref:1939554)

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Originally Posted by gkmarshall

There's another interesting car on ebay item No 110138118342, I don't know how to put the page up I'm sure someone out there can.

This One??

**GTRMagic** · 17 Jun 2007, 08:51 (Ref:1939575)

Tratt's Old Beast which was originally an ex-Briggs car (according to the ad)

pete60 · 17 Jun 2007, 11:17 (Ref:1939738)

I asked this question earlier in this thread..if that is an ex Tratt car (and it sure looks like one), how many AUs did his team have? I thought it was 2..the ex Briggs car and a newer one they built. One went to Adam Sharpe in the UK and one went to the Seiders boys, so with this one,I guess they had 3?

**GTRMagic** · 17 Jun 2007, 11:43 (Ref:1939779)

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Originally Posted by pete60

I asked this question earlier in this thread..if that is an ex Tratt car (and it sure looks like one), how many AUs did his team have? I thought it was 2..the ex Briggs car and a newer one they built. One went to Adam Sharpe in the UK and one went to the Seiders boys, so with this one,I guess they had 3?

The team built a car out of the remnants of the ex-GSR Falcon EL they owned in ~1999, a newer one was built by the team not long before the BA came, and for some reason they seem to have bought the ex-Briggs car as well.

If you count the BA now in Mr Deane's hands, that team has run 5 cars in its relatively short life.

Driver TBA · 17 Jun 2007, 12:09 (Ref:1939799)

Tratt bought the Briggs car at the end of 99 or 00
(after Briggs took over the CAT team) to use as a spare chassis. I don't think it ever turned a wheel in anger while in Tratts possession.

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