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Oh well, wishful thinking.... Edit- while typing an email from them arrived.... As I thought, subscription for WEC, TCR, WSBK and others.... |
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I usually watch IMSA for NASC, but think Motorsport TV sent out a flyer for Bathurst, so I tried it. Otherwise it would have ootoob. As for F1, it will be on All4 catchup, probably. No way I’m paying extra to watch it! |
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A good majority of the Motorsport.tv service is the same as MotorTrendOnDemand - you're paying for stuff that's already free. If you want sportscar racing, then just YouTube it. ELMS, LM Cup, Creventic, VLN, Blancpain Sprint, Blancpain GT, IGTC, SuperGT. All free on YouTube. IMSA is free elsewhere and then uploaded to YouTube later. WEC is paid for live, but uploaded to YouTube later.
And YouTube has a well built, well tested robust player that won't break. Unlike MToD, IMSA and WEC streams. |
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All Indycar Races including Indy 500 are live this season on Sky F1 channel for those who have it, which is a nice Bonus.
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But for those that have BT and not Sky it's a loss for this year as Indycar was on there last year. As seems to be the way you need multiple subscriptions to be able to watch everything - so I just end up with none - I begrudge paying subscriptions for channels showing 90% I'm not interested in just to get at the 10%.
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https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...ee-tv-presence
i mean, he's just saying what we're all saying. so why isn't anyone listening? |
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We haven't had a driver's take on TV coverage and Hamilton makes some good points.
http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/141914 I see bella has already posted this but from Autosport's new site, as opposed to their classic site. Last edited by bjohnsonsmith; 6 Mar 2019 at 13:45. Reason: Clarification |
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i just posted that but it's ok if you need a bloke to say it too
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Well we’ve all said it for a long time. So nothing new there
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there IS something new in a high profile sportsman saying that it doesn’t make any sense in his world as well as ours....
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1. Squeeze profit where you can find it. 2. Expand the business. The problem is that how (or if) you monetize the broadcast side creates a direct conflict between those two goals. So far item #1 is winning the internal battle over #2. At least with respect to free to air broadcasts and it's impact of not just keeping the current generation of fans, but creating the next generation. IMHO, they should utilize a "freemium" online model. Basic world feed shown online for free. Potentially embedded advertisements to help offset the cost. Premium could be advertisement free as well as provide additional access (in-car access, etc.) Individual national broadcast rights could be negotiated for minimal fees. I expect markets that already have large F1 penetration (UK) may find broadcasters who will show it even if it is available online for free. Other markets like the US in which we feel luck if we can see F1 at all, would likely only get it online. Regardless, online is the future anyhow. Richard |
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3. Liberty also own TV stations and/or Internet Service Providers - where the TV stations are exclusive to said ISP. In Belgium, Liberty owns Telenet, which is the sole cable network provider in the Dutch-speaking part. Telenet has some premium packages (a.o. their Sports Channels) which can only be watched if you have a Telenet connection. Their direct competitor is Proximus (new name for Belgacom) which also has its own exclusive sports channels. Zero chance F1 would be run there since it would require Liberty's ISP customers move to their direct competitor. The nicest solution would be to put F1 on a normal channel, that can be watched by everybody regardless if they are a Telenet, Belgacom or TVVlaanderen (satellite) customer. Sadly, they use it to try to lure customers from their competitors. AFAIK the situation in the Netherlands is quite similar, with Liberty owning Ziggo (formerly UPC), and their competitors being KPN (copper network ISP, similar to Proximus/Belgacom in Belgium) and CanalDigitaal (satellite, comparable to TVVlaanderen) |
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The opposite applies in the UK.
Liberty owns Virgin Media which is forced to buy F1 coverage from Sky, it's major competitor, that now has the sole live broadcasting rights in the UK. And Virgin, to cover it's costs, charges around £24 per month (last time I looked) to get Sky sports coverage added to their subscription package. What does need to be said is that since F1 coverage around the world has been slowly disappearing behind a paywall, that audience figures are reducing. And I would hazard a guess that even that figure will plummet this year as potential viewers will either a) refuse to add the Sky sports channels to their cable (non Sky) packages, b) not wish to pay extra if they are existing Sky customers or c) have to purchase access to a cable supplier if they only view terrestrial TV via an aerial which is free in the UK having paid for a TV licence. |
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i think they've unintentionally made it worse by gradually withdrawing the live coverage from terrestrial telly in the uk. if it had suddenly disappeared i think more people would have felt the need to sign up and continue to watch. now people have had the opportunity to get used to *not* seeing f1 races live they've realised the world doesn't stop if they miss it... |
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My fear is that you Viv and bella will just be two of many in the UK, which has, I believe, traditionally been the largest audience centre in the world. China may have overtaken the UK, although I am not sure on that.
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Ditto. I'm already uninterested in this year. Hardly read any coverage of testing etc. What's the point if I can't actually watch a race?
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Yep, same here. I was quite happy with the Channel 4 mix of live / highlights (apart from their lad presenter) but I won't go back to Sky on the off-chance of the odd decent race.
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And if this is typical of diehard followers of the sport, then it will be magnified by casual viewers.
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It's interesting that Sky have an exclusivity clause in their contract, which means Virgin Media have to pay for the Sky coverage despite being a child company of the company that Sky have the deal with! I'm going to review my Virgin Media package at the end of the F1 season. The Sky Sports side of things is close to reaching the "not value for money" point for me and the family. That said, I watched more live IndyCar than F1 last year, so it might be a reason to keep the sports package... |
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