LM24 Jaguar's comeback? - Page 6

Mal · 14 Aug 2008, 07:19 (Ref:2268841)

It makes sense to do both - I suspect that Prodrive is now making money out of its GT1/2/3/4 programme and Jag could do the same. But to get the headlines then overall victories are needed

PorscheFanNo1 · 14 Aug 2008, 15:31 (Ref:2269092)

Who's gonna run the program? Has it been said yet? TWR?

deggis · 14 Aug 2008, 21:15 (Ref:2269292)

No. But reportedly people from Apex were at Le Mans.

**Adam43** · 14 Aug 2008, 21:17 (Ref:2269294)

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Originally Posted by Mal

It makes sense to do both - I suspect that Prodrive is now making money out of its GT1/2/3/4 programme and Jag could do the same. But to get the headlines then overall victories are needed

Is the market big enough for them both to make money at it?

Mal · 15 Aug 2008, 06:06 (Ref:2269432)

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

Is the market big enough for them both to make money at it?

No harm in a bit of competition - it may drive prices down and make the cars more accessible

Also if the trend towards vertical integration of rules for national series through to Regional and possibly world wide series continues then there may well be a market. The fact that one platform can be adaptable to several categories will bring down development costs.

If AM, Ferrari, Porsche,Corvette etc can do it, why not Jaguar?

**Adam43** · 15 Aug 2008, 11:45 (Ref:2269570)

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Originally Posted by Mal

No harm in a bit of competition - it may drive prices down and make the cars more accessible

Prices falling means less profit for the manufacturer, lets hope that they have scope to reduce their margin. If there is more manufacturers each individual manufacturer will sell less. Unless the cheaper prices mean that we get more team? It is finely balanced...
[quote]Also if the trend towards vertical integration of rules for national series through to Regional and possibly world wide series continues then there may well be a market. The fact that one platform can be adaptable to several categories will bring down development costs.[/quote[Hopefully.

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If AM, Ferrari, Porsche,Corvette etc can do it, why not Jaguar?

A good point. Porsche being by far the best example.

isynge · 15 Aug 2008, 12:22 (Ref:2269587)

Marin Birrane makes an interesting point perhaps connected to this in the current Motor Sport - where he describes the demise of Reynard in Champ Car as being bad news for Lola - in that competition keeps the business going.

Competition, so long as you're there or thereabouts will drive a quest for the next big thing - upgrades to aero packages, suspension etc - which is good news for manufacturers, whereas in an absence of multiple suppliers there is perhaps less incentive to invest in enhancements on quite such a regular basis.

JAG · 3 Dec 2008, 16:27 (Ref:2346482)

Anyone know if the rumoured ALMS GT2 Jaguar's are developed GT3 XKR's or full GT2's?

TWK · 3 Dec 2008, 16:39 (Ref:2346490)

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Originally Posted by JAG

After a start in GT2, I'd be very dissapointed if Jaguar didn't go for the overall win in P1.

The challenges for overall wins is were Jaguar's sporting heritage was gained.

The Jaguar brand has already wasted a stack of cash in F1, don't compound that mistake by settling for being a bit part player. GT2/GT3 will only ever be good enough to prove the sporting credentials of a specific model and, if managed correctly, be a great customer business. To prove you're a world class brand, you need to compete for overall wins, unless Jaguar are content to live in the shadow of Audi, Aston Martin etc.

Jaguar are still dinning out on overall wins 20 years ago, a class win doesn't hold that weight.

So BMW, Porsche, Ferrari, and Corvette have been bit players in the shadow of the likes of Audi, etc.? I'm pretty sure they don't see their racing programs that way. Nor should they.

Jaguar doesn't have a sports car any more than does BMW. IMO, a good GT program will support (improve its rather lousy present image) very nicely, and an LMP program would be a complete waste of time and money, on a par (though somewhat less expensive) with that goofy excursion into F1.

JAG · 3 Dec 2008, 17:03 (Ref:2346519)

GT2 is a nice start, but Jaguar's heritage is based on overall Le Mans wins.

The F1 debacle was rediculous the moment it was announced with stories about a 'sea of green' at Silverstone. Ferrari commands that support in F1, Jaguar has a similar fanatical following at Le Mans, support for the brand dwarfs everyone but Porsche.

The new owners have given the go ahead for an even hotter XKR, a re-imagining of the F-Type, and hot version's of the new saloons.

A GT2/3 program is a great start, especially if they can muscle in on the customer market currently dominated by Porsche and Ferrari. Longer term, a shot at the overall win has to be the ultimate goal, whether that's with a full factory effort, branding a Lola or such, or just offering a P1 customer engine.

Jaguar are still dining out on those Le Mans wins, i.e. the '88 celebration's, associated videos etc., not the ETCC or Group 44 E-Type/XJS success's.

**FIRE** · 3 Dec 2008, 18:37 (Ref:2346816)

According Radio Le Mans Jaguar will enter GT2 class of ALMS. Announcement at Detroit show in January. Hindy has spoken to two different people who each think they have the contract to design and run the cars! One of them is Paul Gentilozzi, the other a UK company. A third party, also a UK, company has offered Jaguar a fully funded proposal to design and run the cars.

Midweek Motorsport: Series 3 - Episode 40 (at 1h 44m)

In this show also an interview with Gil de Ferran. What I already assumed it looks like Rubens Barrichello will drive for de Ferran at Sebring.

Aslak Vind · 3 Dec 2008, 19:25 (Ref:2346817)

Great stuff Fire

God bless Hindy!

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What I already assumed it looks like Rubens Barrichello will drive for de Ferran at Sebring.

Well, well..

**Adam43** · 3 Dec 2008, 20:30 (Ref:2346679)

Rubes stuff moved to a new thread http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111641

bil588 · 3 Dec 2008, 21:25 (Ref:2346849)

Will Apex Motorsport continue in FIA GT3?

HORNDAWG · 21 Dec 2008, 01:57 (Ref:2359095)

Hmm, I wonder what impact Tata sponsoring/advertising on the side of Ferrari F-1s in 09' will have on moving Jaguar back into main stream Sports Car racing? Motortrend If any, after Bernie's tirade at Ferrari. Times

L.P.

**Adam43** · 21 Dec 2008, 12:23 (Ref:2359211)

Tata is asking for UK government help with JLR. I suspect a motorsport programme is a low priority.

The Real DMN · 21 Dec 2008, 14:28 (Ref:2359250)

More on that story here: http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/b...-200812181468/

AU N EGL · 21 Dec 2008, 14:35 (Ref:2359252)

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

Tata is asking for UK government help with JLR. I suspect a motorsport programme is a low priority.

I thought Tata is a sponsor of 2009 Ferrari F1 program .

So is Tata asking the UK government for money to help wiht JLR and going to take that money to sponsor Ferrari? Brilliant. OPM got to love it. LOL

**FIRE** · 21 Dec 2008, 15:15 (Ref:2359261)

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Originally Posted by AU N EGL

I thought Tata is a sponsor of 2009 Ferrari F1 program .

So is Tata asking the UK government for money to help wiht JLR and going to take that money to sponsor Ferrari? Brilliant. OPM got to love it. LOL

Tata is not only producing cars. Their IT business (Tata Consultancy Services) is sponsoring the Ferrari F1 team.

Tata Group

AU N EGL · 21 Dec 2008, 17:27 (Ref:2359314)

Cool.

Tim the Grey · 22 Dec 2008, 10:01 (Ref:2359615)

Still a dodgy area for HMG to stick a toe into. Supporting a UK LUXURY brand, owned by an Indian multinational, with a sponsorship deal for Ferrari in F1???
This being an allegedly LEFT wing Labour government...

I doubt they will offer anything to Tata. But I've been wrong before!

HORNDAWG · 9 Jan 2009, 07:25 (Ref:2368032)

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Originally Posted by Tim the Grey

Still a dodgy area for HMG to stick a toe into. Supporting a UK LUXURY brand, owned by an Indian multinational, with a sponsorship deal for Ferrari in F1???
This being an allegedly LEFT wing Labour government...

I doubt they will offer anything to Tata. But I've been wrong before!

Hmm, I prefer it cold myself, with a touch of course ground mustard on the side.

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