[WEC Race] Portimão 8 Hours 2021

[J Jay]

Bratislava #44 LMP2 in the gravel, possible FCY coming.

Edit - Nope, straight to SC. Alpine just lucked out big time.

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

Can someone explain what’s happened for the past two hours, as if I were some kind of England football fan?

Sure. England won 1-0.

[Aysedasi]

Safety car.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by J Jay

Bratislava #44 LMP2 in the gravel, possible FCY coming.

Edit - Nope, straight to SC. Alpine just lucked out big time.

And it resets all LMP2s too (I think), so no issues on strategy there.

[Gingers4Justice]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Sure. England won 1-0.

Haha, well played Ayse!

As for the race...Alpine's pitstops hurting them now?

[J Jay]

It's now or never for Alpine, because come their next stop if they're still behind it's curtains.

Originally Posted by Adam43

And it resets all LMP2s too (I think), so no issues on strategy there.

Impressed with Boyd keeping the rest behind him so far.

Edit - Lapierre doing what Milesi should've done, good effort from both the Alpine and Toyota.

[Adam43]

Alpine stopping. No change to tyres.

So, two stops left for the Alpine...

[Gingers4Justice]

This FCY has massively hampered the Alpine.

[Adam43]

Yes. SC helped them earlier.

The two Toyotas both good to the end. No fuel saving needed.

Jotas 1-2 and close.

[J Jay]

Errr, what exactly are Toyota doing?

Team orders are fine and expected in endurance racing, but to swap the cars, only to swap them back ten minutes later ...

[bentley speed 8]

Somebody explain me what Toyota did, shuffling the cars around twice

[J Jay]

Originally Posted by bentley speed 8

Somebody explain me what Toyota did, shuffling the cars around twice

Search me. Not a good look, and it may yet be compounded by the two cars running into each other.

[helgi]

Ha-ha-ha. And I was wondering how 7 would be moved from the lead. Another compulsory 8 win. Farce. In Super GT TOM's would have crashed into each other rather than act in this stuff.

[hoffman66]

Some of the worst tv direction I have EVER seen, why do these overpaid morons obsess with stuff that is clearly scripted and NOT watch the actual race, they miss EVERYTHING, obsess with shots of the pit crews doing nothing, radio comms that offer nothing. You missed the lead lasses in P2 with a few laps left to show us stuff you could have done later

This is NOT bloody F1, stop trying to get a job with FOM and take an interest in what you are doing, what fans want and what makes your CV better instead of trying to make a tv show you selfish idiots.

As to Toyota, what a load of nonsense, over management, no wonder they never won anything agianst rival opposition

[Adam43]

They thought Lopez was quicker so made sure he could get past with no risk. Then found out he wasn’t really and reversed the move.

Get giddy people. Get giddy.

[kaivo]

Typical toyota. Always smelly team orders, including le mans races lol

[Adam43]

Buemi looks done in.

[Pandamasque]

It's as if GTE-Am did a demonstration race specifically for those advocating to axe GTs for 2023.

In other news, Signatech quite successful at making a case for a proper works programme. Quite close to a flawlessly performing works team, despite an inherent disadvantage in the machinery.

Originally Posted by tux

Glickenhaus had a near fault free 30 hour test? Then comes here and has numerous issues, weird.

Not hitting numerous cars probably helps avoiding numerous issues.

Originally Posted by J Jay

Errr, what exactly are Toyota doing?

Team orders are fine and expected in endurance racing, but to swap the cars, only to swap them back ten minutes later ...

I think it was the case of
- I'm a lot quicker than him
- Sure, we'll swap you two, but you have x laps to drive off into the sunset
- Sure!
...
- Ok. Nice try, now let #8 by.

[J Jay]

Originally Posted by Pandamasque

I think it was the case of
- I'm a lot quicker than him
- Sure, we'll swap you two, but you have x laps to drive off into the sunset
- Sure!
...
- Ok. Nice try, now let #8 by.

As opposed to the entirely novel idea of overtaking. Never heard of that being used in a race before.

Yes, I know that the risk of both cars taking each other off would have been the motivation for doing it via team orders, but as we saw a couple of laps later, they almost drove each other off anyway.

[Pandamasque]

I'm not trying to justify it. That's just my understanding of the situation.

[canaglia]

Originally Posted by J Jay

As opposed to the entirely novel idea of overtaking. Never heard of that being used in a race before.

it's something that f1 teams often do, but at the end yes it was basically a team order to let #8 win.
Nice race, but is clear that 2021 WEC championship was decided back in 2017 or 2018 when oreca decided that R13 didn't need a larger fuel tank.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by Pandamasque

I'm not trying to justify it. That's just my understanding of the situation.

Ultimately there is nothing to justify. Their team, their choice.

Next time I am hoping for more swapping to really drive people crazy

[J Jay]

Originally Posted by Pandamasque

I'm not trying to justify it. That's just my understanding of the situation.

My apologies, I should've made it clear that I didn't think you were.

Originally Posted by Adam43

Next time I am hoping for more swapping to really drive people crazy

I'm looking forward to seeing them swap the positions of the race-winning car with the one that's stuck in the pits for repairs at Le Mans

[canaglia]

Originally Posted by J Jay

I'm looking forward to seeing them swap the positions of the race-winning car with the one that's stuck in the pits for repairs at Le Mans

basically a reverse 2019 LM

[TF110]

Pretty good race, in the beginning. But the stint advantage of Toyota cant be overcome. Its too large and the Alpine Oreca wont be getting a bigger tank so it seems they have to have a serious pace advantage.