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22 Jun 2023, 15:51 (Ref:4165017) | #126 | ||
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Well, they just replace squirrel by coyote I've been told. Or yellow dog.
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22 Jun 2023, 22:20 (Ref:4165055) | #127 | ||
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Can’t say I ever noticed SZs at Classic
Any problems and it’s normally been bc a single SC or a red flag for the short sessions |
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23 Jun 2023, 07:26 (Ref:4165072) | #128 | ||
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Before Covid they had an agreement with Coyote instead of the heavy oboard system with a dedicated screen. They cant argue that all cars are much slower in LMC grids because some are still very fast.
https://www.facebook.com/LeMansClass...008263/?type=3 In this case Coyote is a company, not a poor joke. Still, there must be some squirrels left in the forest… |
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IMO there's no reason to have safety car anymore. With some tweaks, FCY deals with any intervention race direction needs. A big flaw SC has and no one seems to notice, I've seen this happen several times: cars running at high speeds to get back to the SC train. Just to name an example: in 2010 the leading LMP2 got stuck on the gravel during a SC. What happened when it joined the track? The driver simply drove at high speed to get back behind the next group of cars. It makes no sense.
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Marshals will always need (and need to know) that the cars are all grouped on-track if they are doing more significant repair/clean-up tasks. Do you expect these to happen while cars are spread out on track? Don't forget the cars are still doing lethal speeds, even under FCY. Your example (rightly) points out a flaw with how safety cars are currently implemented, but that can be alleviated with tighter rules on catching up or unlapping under safety cars. |
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8 Jul 2023, 10:42 (Ref:4167165) | #131 | ||
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9 Jul 2023, 10:46 (Ref:4167346) | #132 | |
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The accident we just witnessed at Monza demonstrates why full SCs are still required. You could not clear that under a FCY.
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10 Jul 2023, 02:57 (Ref:4167673) | #133 | |
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Screenshot from 2017 race. Track had to be cleaned; crash barriers needed fix, trucks drove out of the pit lane until the first chicane. No safety car deployed, only slow zones. At Le Mans you don't need safety cars anymore. You need some changes to make it right. It would make marshals work more complex, but not impossible.
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I think you have to accept that not everyone agrees with you.
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10 Jul 2023, 07:25 (Ref:4167688) | #135 | ||
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10 Jul 2023, 08:02 (Ref:4167696) | #136 | ||
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This. I think he who did some marshalling, any time/country/track/series would agree with you. Not forgetting that (may be Monaco apart) those people are pure enthousiasts some times investing their own money in racing too while remaining humans.
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At Mosport in the IMSA race one of the BMW's got a penalty for reckless driving while safety vehicles were on track. the driver was speeding up to catch up to the end of the line after getting a wave by, and was came upon a track vehicle around a blind corner. Ended up beaching the car in the gravel after taking avoiding action.
I think this is relevant to the discussion of safety cars because even if you have rules in place it doesn't mean the drivers will follow them, and you have to make sure the marshals are safe no matter what. This was just one car, but there could have be 5 or 10 doing the same thing and how could the marshals get their work done if they are always having to look over shoulder to see if somebody is about to lose it while catching up to the queue? |
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Why do you think Im not accepting it? Just sharing my opinion. I don't know how you would think that.
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Ho no,you'd be surprised to see how many hate to be overtaken under SC or YF.Pros and amateurs. I quite agree with Akrapovic here. Not only its dangerous but more than unfair to say the least. The opinion of someone who does not appreciate the SC in general.
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My apologies then. But as you had twice told us that SC's are no longer necessary, you seemed pretty fixed on that opinion. But it is your opinion and I accept you're entitled to it.
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https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...r-2024-season/
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22 Nov 2023, 00:21 (Ref:4186806) | #146 | ||
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Not instead of, but before SC. Not sure on that one.
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22 Nov 2023, 21:20 (Ref:4186937) | #148 | ||
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All options? Why not just have a VSC to possibly sort problem and get in with racing.
Just going to have most cars in pits during VSC surely as they’re all bunched up soon afterwards |
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The VSC is for when they are going to a SC (usually because they need a gap in traffic to work). The VSC before hand neutralises the circuit to allow an immediate response, and then they move to SC to do the major work. The FCY and back to green still exists. |
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23 Nov 2023, 15:18 (Ref:4187004) | #150 | |
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Exactly this. Direct to SC always creates some minutes of hazard with guys still going at almost racing pace to close the gap with the SC on track while they are not fully aware of what's going on. Always a bit dangerous.
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