Rumours Kimi to Red Bull in 2014? - Page 6

BSchneiderFan · 27 Aug 2013, 20:03 (Ref:3294899)

Räikkönen and Hamilton are probably the two mst obvious drivers who would have, or think they had, the mental toughness to go up against Vettel at Red Bull. But Hamilton is secure at Mercedes, and it looks like it won't be Räikkönen at RBR.

**bella** · 27 Aug 2013, 20:23 (Ref:3294906)

it's not about toughness. it's about accepting your position, and depending on what kind of person you are either using the things you have to overcome as an opponent, or accepting them and doing the best you can regardless. it's maturity, not strength.

or maybe naivety

**Bononi** · 27 Aug 2013, 20:48 (Ref:3294919)

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Originally Posted by bella

it's not about toughness. it's about accepting your position, and depending on what kind of person you are either using the things you have to overcome as an opponent, or accepting them and doing the best you can regardless. it's maturity, not strength.

or maybe naivety

A very persuasive argument, mate... shall we

sometime ?

Paradise City · 28 Aug 2013, 00:34 (Ref:3294993)

Vettel is invulnerable at RBR. He just knows the team too well. Lump that encumbent advantage onto his undoubted talent, he is literally unbeatable at RBR in terms of a full season no matter who occupies that second seat.

**chunterer** · 28 Aug 2013, 12:08 (Ref:3295157)

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Originally Posted by Paradise City

Vettel is invulnerable at RBR. He just knows the team too well. Lump that encumbent advantage onto his undoubted talent, he is literally unbeatable at RBR in terms of a full season no matter who occupies that second seat.

I really don't think he is. I still think that another of the top liners, totally fired up and needing to win a title at any cost will take him on no problems, and I suspect they would be more than willing to take the management on with it, up until engines get turned down and other nonsense to artificially restrain a driver happens!

**Bononi** · 28 Aug 2013, 13:31 (Ref:3295217)

I can't hardly wait to see what will happen...

**bella** · 28 Aug 2013, 13:44 (Ref:3295225)

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Originally Posted by Paradise City

Vettel is invulnerable at RBR. He just knows the team too well. Lump that encumbent advantage onto his undoubted talent, he is literally unbeatable at RBR in terms of a full season no matter who occupies that second seat.

i'm interested to know how you think knowing the team too well gives him an advantage. i assume you mean that he knows how to get things done? or are you referring to individual relationships like with his engineer or perhaps the key design staff?

i wonder if perhaps when you look at that relationship, it's that the team know him so well that they know what he needs and wants from them without him needing to ask them. that sort of thing will probably come across as a bias or favouritism for the new driver, especially if he doesn't materialise early enough in the evolution in the new car. i mean, let's say control elements in the car has to be designed one way, so you may as well design certain elements with the 3 time world champions preferences in mind rather than the new kid who you can adapt it (or him) for. favouritism or common sense?

**Bononi** · 28 Aug 2013, 13:57 (Ref:3295229)

It seems that Button will stay put at McLaren :

http://translate.google.com.br/trans...do-jornal.html

**Aysedasi** · 28 Aug 2013, 16:32 (Ref:3295294)

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Originally Posted by Paradise City

Vettel is invulnerable at RBR. He just knows the team too well. Lump that encumbent advantage onto his undoubted talent, he is literally unbeatable at RBR in terms of a full season no matter who occupies that second seat.

I don't really care who it is in the second seat at RBR.

I'd just love to see whoever it is tan Vettel's ****.

It isn't going to happen, I know - and even if it could, it won't.....

littleman · 28 Aug 2013, 17:06 (Ref:3295313)

Only two drivers have the speed, tenacity, fortitude, mental strength, inner self belief and dedication to beat Vettel at RBR - Alonso and Hamilton.

Kimi comes next, but he's already demonstrated his mind can wander for no apparent reason.

**Bononi** · 28 Aug 2013, 19:36 (Ref:3295376)

So it will be a long dominance for RBR/SV...

F1Pete · 28 Aug 2013, 22:45 (Ref:3295440)

I wonder if McLaren is regretting not signing Kimi when they had the chance...

wnut · 28 Aug 2013, 23:24 (Ref:3295450)

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Originally Posted by F1Pete

I wonder if McLaren is regretting not signing Kimi when they had the chance...

I think they are mainly regretting that Kimi doesn't come with Perez's sponsors!

Teretonga · 29 Aug 2013, 01:15 (Ref:3295476)

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Originally Posted by wnut

I think they are mainly regretting that Kimi doesn't come with Perez's sponsors!

I actually think Perez may have been a snap decision. Hamilton announced his departure to Mercedes and McLaren searched around for a possible replacement and picked Perez almost immediately on the back of a couple of good performances.
Perez probably assumed he was up for a cracker car as in 2012 McLaren but it hasn't been like that at all.
The Sauber last year was a very good Sauber (but not in 2013) may have flattered him a bit.

If the approach had been more measured they may have found a better substitute (Kobyashi? Hulkenberg?) but we won't know for sure.

wnut · 29 Aug 2013, 03:15 (Ref:3295503)

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Originally Posted by Teretonga

I actually think Perez may have been a snap decision. Hamilton announced his departure to Mercedes and McLaren searched around for a possible replacement and picked Perez almost immediately on the back of a couple of good performances.
Perez probably assumed he was up for a cracker car as in 2012 McLaren but it hasn't been like that at all.
The Sauber last year was a very good Sauber (but not in 2013) may have flattered him a bit.

If the approach had been more measured they may have found a better substitute (Kobyashi? Hulkenberg?) but we won't know for sure.

Why would you keep Perez if you knew Kimi would become available?
The McLaren engineers love him, and bearing in my how good he is you could cut Kimi a lot of slack with the marketing drivel.

littleman · 29 Aug 2013, 07:26 (Ref:3295533)

McLaren desperately need an injection of charisma, attitude and the sort of hardnosed racing instinct Kimi has in abundance.

To me,they look like they still haven't got over losing Hamilton - Kimi would be the perfect driver to give them their mojo back.

He would be more suited here than RBR.

**Bononi** · 29 Aug 2013, 12:30 (Ref:3295681)

Yes, that would be great. But I don't think it's happening.

**chunterer** · 29 Aug 2013, 14:58 (Ref:3295745)

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Originally Posted by littleman

McLaren desperately need an injection of charisma, attitude and the sort of hardnosed racing instinct Kimi has in abundance.

To me,they look like they still haven't got over losing Hamilton - Kimi would be the perfect driver to give them their mojo back.

He would be more suited here than RBR.

Yes but getting rid of Perez (future plus the money) and not Button (past) for Kimi would be a huge error.

Kimi would love to whip Checo after their tripping over each other a couple of times this year.

I would say that McLaren could well do without any inner team aggro, but they way they are wasting away, maybe they need some more grenades going off inside the team to keep everyone on their toes!

**Bononi** · 29 Aug 2013, 15:19 (Ref:3295760)

Looks like McLaren will keep both... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23847602

**GTRMagic** · 30 Aug 2013, 08:29 (Ref:3296053)

Fact or fantasy?

**Bononi** · 30 Aug 2013, 12:37 (Ref:3296149)

Ferrari's performance ?

F1Pete · 3 Sep 2013, 12:55 (Ref:3298317)

Fact or fantasy? It's easy to make a prediction when saying "you heard it here first" regarding the link to Ferrari. The rumours have been flying no doubt. So if you are wrong...no big deal. When you are right then it is a big deal. I am going out on a limb....fact. You heard it here second.

**Born Racer** · 4 Sep 2013, 12:31 (Ref:3298805)

Obviously Red Bull couldn't get Kimi in the end or decided against some high salary demands and went for Daniel, who has shown himself to be at least pretty capable this year. I say 'obviously', because they've assured him equal status.

Teretonga · 4 Sep 2013, 13:22 (Ref:3298835)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

Obviously Red Bull couldn't get Kimi in the end or decided against some high salary demands and went for Daniel, who has shown himself to be at least pretty capable this year. I say 'obviously', because they've assured him equal status.

" Nominal" equal status. Saying they expect him to push Seb later in the year may be a desire but they would be beyond themselves if he pushed Vettel the way Hamilton pushed Alonso in his first year McLaren.

I think Daniel will be fine but he is not a Hamilton.

321Go · 5 Sep 2013, 06:13 (Ref:3299231)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

Obviously Red Bull couldn't get Kimi in the end or decided against some high salary demands and went for Daniel,

Kimi was NEVER in the race for the seat. It was just a smokescreen.

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