1984 Trimoco RAC British Saloon Car Championship - Discussion & Results

[chunterer]

That's great, must be pretty close to being race ready then?
What series are you thinking of showing her off in?

[Racing RSi]

idealy the next Silverstone Classic.. (July 2013) with Richard Driving.. but it will need running in as it has a new engine now.
The Brooklyn has had a up grade, programmable ECU.. but need testing now.. and the Datapost 16i should be going to Brands in October

[chunterer]

Sounds good! Are you going to enter any relevant series with any of the cars as well? JDClassics would be suitable for the RSi or RST assuming they are in period Group A spec as well as their obvious liveries?

[Racing RSi]

Originally Posted by chunterer

Sounds good! Are you going to enter any relevant series with any of the cars as well? JDClassics would be suitable for the RSi or RST assuming they are in period Group A spec as well as their obvious liveries?

all three of them are exactly as they would have been in the 80ies, only the Brooklyn has a modern ECU, all the cars have the latest fire extinguisher systems, (LifeLine)

Dont know anything about the JD Classics, but would love an invite to Goodwood, FOS, been a member of the GRRC for a couple of years now, but no invite.. I think its a case of who you know not what you know.

[chunterer]

JD Classics is run by Motor Racing Legends and will be at Oulton this Monday on the Gold Cup bill.

The Series basically caters for original spec touring cars cars from 1966 til 1985 so that's Group 2, Group 1 and Group A.
It is in its infancy but some top cars from the era have already been out like ex works TWR Jag and Rover's, Dolly Sprint, Capri RS and BMW CSL. More cars to follow next year such as Metro Turbo driven by Patrick Watts (also used to drive RS1600i) Mk1 Golf GTi and it will continue to grow.

Ken Clarke, a poster here on Ten-Tenths, is involved in running it so may I suggest getting in touch via pm to see how your cars could take part next year?

[Racing RSi]

thats a great bit of infomation! many thanks
will make contact with this chap..

[chunterer]

There's also a thread about it in Historic Racing Today called 'Proposed new historic touring car series' which discusses the series from it's planning through to now so to speak.

Actually you mention Lifeline earlier, Jim Morris is the guy with the Golf who i'm sure plans to do the series as well.

Be great to see Golf and the Escorts out together?

[Racing RSi]

yes I know a lot about Johns GTI, Jim has send me loads of pictures of it as he found it... Jim looks after me with respect to the Lifeline systems.
John also gave me loads of bits and pieces from his Brooklyn days.. met Jim a few times, but not John....yet
the GTI was before the 16i, about 81-82??? I know John punted a Suricco (spelling) at the same time Hodgetts started with the 16i 83 84. but was Chris's team mate in 85 with a occasional drive with Alex Moss.

Johns 16i was broken in 86, I have a lot of its running gear as it came with the Brooklyn 16i (the 85 car) which in 86 Paul Taft punted.

[btcc classic]

Hi All,

We are rebuilding the Julian May 1981-3 ford fiesta and want to know if anyone has any information on the car, or any old pictures that are not on this thread.

please any help would be much appreciated

regards

Adam

[Racing RSi]

Originally Posted by btcc classic

Hi All,

We are rebuilding the Julian May 1981-3 ford fiesta and want to know if anyone has any information on the car, or any old pictures that are not on this thread.

please any help would be much appreciated

regards

Adam

pm this chap..

North Essex Motorsport

on here, he knows a lot about this car, and its driver

'North Essex Motorsport' name is Scott

[btcc classic]

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[North Essex Motorsport]

Originally Posted by Racing RSi

pm this chap..

North Essex Motorsport

on here, he knows a lot about this car, and its driver

'North Essex Motorsport' name is Scott

Thanks G

Have replied with what limited knowledge I have of the car.
It was very original when I last saw it. Would be great to see it showroom fresh!

[North Essex Motorsport]

Thought you all might like to see an up to date picture of the restoration on the North Essex Motorsport car #74



The screen has since been fitted and work is now on-going to get the engine and box back in.

[DAVID PATERSON]

Great to see another genuine Group A Touring Car being restored.

[North Essex Motorsport]

Looking at possibly entering CTCRC next year. Classic saloons and historic touring car championship.

I have a few things to change first, to make it compliant with existing MSA regs.

Extinguisher is fine (new zero system), cut offs are also all new and good. Biggest hurdle is the cage, as i want a steel replica of mine. Looks like a trip to safety devices will be required for that. Seat and belts are easy fixes.

My main problem is, will the car be competitive. I am guessing it will be in class d? so will be up against fiestas with similar/same engines and gear boxes. I would assume i will be out dragged at every straight and possibly even lose out on cornering.

I think i will set up the car and do a couple of trackdays at snett and Brands. Then compare times, should be good enough a comparison as i will be using the control tyre aswell (yoko A048R medium)

Any thoughts?

[Racing RSi]

Originally Posted by North Essex Motorsport

Looking at possibly entering CTCRC next year. Classic saloons and historic touring car championship.

I have a few things to change first, to make it compliant with existing MSA regs.

Extinguisher is fine (new zero system), cut offs are also all new and good. Biggest hurdle is the cage, as i want a steel replica of mine. Looks like a trip to safety devices will be required for that. Seat and belts are easy fixes.

My main problem is, will the car be competitive. I am guessing it will be in class d? so will be up against fiestas with similar/same engines and gear boxes. I would assume i will be out dragged at every straight and possibly even lose out on cornering.

I think i will set up the car and do a couple of trackdays at snett and Brands. Then compare times, should be good enough a comparison as i will be using the control tyre aswell (yoko A048R medium)

Any thoughts?

we need to talk. as I might have a go with you.... but its exspensive!!

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by North Essex Motorsport

Looking at possibly entering CTCRC next year. Classic saloons and historic touring car championship.

I have a few things to change first, to make it compliant with existing MSA regs.

Extinguisher is fine (new zero system), cut offs are also all new and good. Biggest hurdle is the cage, as i want a steel replica of mine. Looks like a trip to safety devices will be required for that. Seat and belts are easy fixes.

My main problem is, will the car be competitive. I am guessing it will be in class d? so will be up against fiestas with similar/same engines and gear boxes. I would assume i will be out dragged at every straight and possibly even lose out on cornering.

I think i will set up the car and do a couple of trackdays at snett and Brands. Then compare times, should be good enough a comparison as i will be using the control tyre aswell (yoko A048R medium)

Any thoughts?

Hi ya, I would suggest that the most appropriate series for your car, as long as it is going to be in either original or 'period' Group A spec will be the MRL Touring Car Trophy series? You may have already looked into it?

That series was established specifically to cater for Group 2, G1 and Gr A cars and continues to grow year by year.

With Rovers, Jaguars, BMW and Capris and Patrick Watts excellent Metro Turbo illustrating the authenticity, you would likely face comparable cars like Jim Morris's Mk1 Golf GTi and hopefully one or two other Escorts in class such as Racing RSi's if he can be persuaded to bring one of his out for the limited number of races in the series

For this to continue to grow it needs more people to take the plunge and enter as it will have a knock on effect as people see other similar cars to play with.

The CTCRC is good for more general saloons but these tend to be either Gr1 or GrA replicas and are not really complying specifically to period specs.

The HSCC Supertouring trophy does accept Group A cars in events where a larger field is required to fill the grids, but the little Escort would be left a bit short of breath by the more recent machinery that this series has been designed for.

[Racing RSi]

I hare what you say Chunderer ;-). currently having a new workshop built, which will be big enough to work on all of the racers and space for two more projects. but the builders are sooooooo slow, not when they are on site, that's fine but been here 9 weeks now! only the frame is in place.. I am missing the summer at this rate!

[North Essex Motorsport]

Originally Posted by chunterer

Hi ya, I would suggest that the most appropriate series for your car, as long as it is going to be in either original or 'period' Group A spec will be the MRL Touring Car Trophy series? You may have already looked into it?

That series was established specifically to cater for Group 2, G1 and Gr A cars and continues to grow year by year.

With Rovers, Jaguars, BMW and Capris and Patrick Watts excellent Metro Turbo illustrating the authenticity, you would likely face comparable cars like Jim Morris's Mk1 Golf GTi and hopefully one or two other Escorts in class such as Racing RSi's if he can be persuaded to bring one of his out for the limited number of races in the series

For this to continue to grow it needs more people to take the plunge and enter as it will have a knock on effect as people see other similar cars to play with.

The CTCRC is good for more general saloons but these tend to be either Gr1 or GrA replicas and are not really complying specifically to period specs.

The HSCC Supertouring trophy does accept Group A cars in events where a larger field is required to fill the grids, but the little Escort would be left a bit short of breath by the more recent machinery that this series has been designed for.

I did look at the legends website, however i couldnt find any of the rules or costs associated with the series. I am not sure finacially its viable for me, as the silverstone classic is £1000 entry before you even start to add in consumables, tyres, fuel, scrutineering issues!

With the CTCRC, costs are more reasonable with £90 series entry, and average £400 race weekend entry. Admittedy i cannot commit to a whole season due to work and personal commitments however would love to get the escort back out on a race day.

Motor racing is by its nature expensive, but i am weighing up my choices. Try and find suitable racing with the escort, or get a small hatch (pug, clio, fiesta) and race that instead as they appear slightly easier on the costs which make it simpler to tell the wife where the money is going

[chunterer]

Bear in mind that the Silverstone Classic is a showpiece event and a lot more pricey I believe than most other UK historic meetings.
I think the entry fee for the MRL 4 race series will be a lot less per meeting and you will be competing with period cars from the same era as yours.

[North Essex Motorsport]

Well unfortunately I have been unable to get the car ready for this season.

Had a few teething issues and have been waiting on specialists for component overhaul's!
Hopefully the next three months will see the car being back up and running with a booking at Peter Baldwin for a RR session to ensure the fueling is okay. Then if we have enough time we will set up the car to original geometry (thanks Racing RSi for the set up data)

All being well I should be able to get in a couple of shake down days at a circuit or two before the end of the year.

[AnonymityRules]

Sorry about the resurrection but was David Kennedy ineligible for points at any point in the 1984 season? It's just he should have scored 10 points and Wikipedia only credits him with 9 unless that's just a typing error? I've done the maths.

[JesperOH]

This database has credited Kennedy for 10 points: https://www.driverdb.com/championshi...pionship/1984/

But all others seem to repeat 9 points, and I don't see why he shouldn't have scored 10 points. Remove him from one of his to 6th place class finishes and it will screw the final points for either Vince Woodman or Brian Chatfield, as they finished 7th in those races.

Jesper OH (returning)

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by JesperOH

This database has credited Kennedy for 10 points: https://www.driverdb.com/championshi...pionship/1984/

But all others seem to repeat 9 points, and I don't see why he shouldn't have scored 10 points. Remove him from one of his to 6th place class finishes and it will screw the final points for either Vince Woodman or Brian Chatfield, as they finished 7th in those races.

Jesper OH (returning)

It was defo 9-6-4-3-2-1.
Not sure if/when the point for fastest lap came in though. I know it was defo in use in 1988 but was it part of the system in '84?

[pimmy]

I think the discrepancy comes from the last race of the season at Silverstone. Brodie won on the road but was disqualified. Kennedy finished 6th and was promoted to 5th, so maybe sources giving him 9 points haven't taken this into account?