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Just incase anyone was interested, the minis will be telecast today, might be better views of the crash (plus what happened in the lead up to it).
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Stuck throttle? Hmmm... the car got a serious wobble coming into the braking area.. if the engine was running on, a clutch in/engine off scenario might have avoided what seems a $20k rebuild The rears of these cars are light.. doesnt matter if they way 200kg more than a V8Supercar, the way the rear danced in the run up to falling off the road shows that high speed stability on what isnt a very high speed track was definitely wanting in this particular chassis. Heaven help them at Phillip Island through turns 1 & 2, or at Bathurst at the Dipper or thru the Chase... I too remember the Mazda 121 "tits up" that rocked backwards and forwards like an old time rubber stamp across paper. And the Suzuki GTi series that trashed every spare panel in Australia, emptied wreckers, emptied Holden dealers, then emptied Suzuki Japan... Funny I dont recall the same issues back in the Laser series.. a better car, or slower so you couldnt destroy them? Daewoos were similarly inclined to few serious wrecks like that.. Are the Minis too powerful for their drivers? |
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The Lasers never travelled at rocket ship speeds... with their "Good Year Grand Rally 'S'" tyres aboard from the series sponsor, they would never threaten outright lap records... did you see the "tank slappers"... over and over...
...yet the Minis arent that far off the big guns in speed... Would you give a V8Supercar to a driver to race, someone who had never had their bum in one? Or in anything similarly quick? Those Pulsar ET Turbos tipped over a bit, but in a 'light roll' scenario as opposed to a 'Bill Brown special' |
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I'd be curious to know if she is a left foot braker. If she is that might explain something... Unfortunately for a lot of drivers they don't seem to understand that full steering lock and locked wheels isn't going to help you any. You're in a skid and doing all that just makes it worse and you are now at the mercy of your momentum. Really what she needed to do was clutch in(assuming the stuck throttle was the real deal), unwind the wheel, unlock the brakes by curling her toes back and eyes looking where she needed to go. |
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You only have to look at someone like Sebatasien Buemi the other week when his front suspension exploded on the Toro Rosso, both wheels gone and he STILL tried to steer away from the armco.... hard to do with no front wheels or suspension wouldn't you say? I am sure he knew he had no steering or brakes, but he still tried to turn the wheel...... human nature is a funny thing. |
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And no I'm not an armchair quarterback either. Human nature is a funny thing and to correct a front tire skid(understeer), the required actions go against our nature. |
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Throttle was jammed, she steered away from the car infront, and saved him a repair bill. And it worked perfectly....... 99% of the other drivers out there WOULD have used the car in front as brakes. Also, it happened in Australia, therefore its a tYre |
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Errr.. saved what repair bill? The Harley Mini is wrecked..
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There is some irony that long run offs with gravel traps make this sort of incident more likely as well. Stick a barrier right next to the track and the first Mini would never have had the chance to start rolling. I'm not advocating doing that as it moves the danger a long way in the other direction. Similarly, you can go the F1 way and remove the gravel, replacing it with ashphalt. First Mini would have been less likely to stop rolling, but any retardation for the second with the stuck throttle would have been removed as well, and the gravel will have slowed her down even if only a little. You also add in the problem of drivers not bothering to use the track and the incidents that result when they rejoin. The problem with motor racing safety is there isn't one solution that works for all incidents. Solve one and you inevitably create another. |
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Did the throttle really jam? If it did there are some other questions there, not just with the driver. As I said I'd like to know if she is a left foot braker. Yes I know what country it is and if I can replace ole England scribble with new American lingo I will, especially if it irritates the locals over such trivialities. |
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I am dealing with this exact circumstance right now with one of my clients I work at. It's a brand new private track and much discussion has been made recently about risk management and figuring out the best way to go about things. There are so many ifs and buts it's incredible.
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Have you been in a car with a stuck throttle? (And i'm not saying thats what her problem was, but thats what is being reported as). I have been a driver, and both a passenger, in cars that the throttles have jammed on (although not in a track situation). Even on the street at slow speed, there isn't alot of time to react.....And if the wheels are spinning, thats what they'll continue to do. |
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Yeah, well, you can't legislate for Clios.
Trusting you weren't the machanic on said vehicles... |
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