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At the moment I am reading Peter Morgan's book about the Porsche 956/962 (great book!). In 1981 several manufacturers had designed cars for the new Group C class but the full technical details of this new class were not published before the latter part of the year. So these manufacturers took a risk because the rules were not confirmed. To comply the rules Lola had to redesign the T600 which became the T610. If I am correct the T600 turned up in IMSA. Like Lola also BMW had designed a Group C car but after FISA had published the rules they withdrew completeley.
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The BMW pointis interesting - did this end up as the GTP version that ran only for a year or two (March based?) in 1986/7. looked highly promising and then got canned, or was that an entirely separate project? |
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The BMW thing could be the March-built M1C, raced in IMSA in 1981, with M1 straight6 and then Turbo4 engines...
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Source: http://www.johnstarkeycars.com/pages...ticles_13.html I get the impression the only BMW part is the engine. Why would a German company hire a British company to design a car? |
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I did some searching on the web and I think the BMW M1C/1 is the BMW Group C project which was stopped in '81
At www.marchives.com (great website) I found this "March 1981 Newsletter #3" So the car was designed by BMW in conjuction with March and I understand the BMW M1C/1 (= March 81P) was allowed in IMSA GTP but not in Group C, so March planned a M1C/2 (= March 82G) which is a full Group C car. Correct me if I am wrong. |
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...finally, some GKW pics I took @ Monza, back in 1988
http://twitpic.com/dlekh http://twitpic.com/dlelb http://twitpic.com/dlenb the car is now the property of an Italian gentleman driver who plans to race it in historic events, can be seen @ http://www.time-to-lose.it/wp-conten...raio_60dpi.pdf page 16 |
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Another for the list is the Lindsay LMP675 - Think a mock-up appeared at an early Goodwood Festival of Speed
The reference to an MG project I'm guessing refers to a GT version of the MG SV that never appeared. |
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Many thanks, fausto! Those pics are like gold dust.
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i saw a alfa group c with a v12 engine, which ive never seen before in the paddock in monza the other month at the grp c event there but it wasnt with the group c cars. it looked like a latter grp c car narrow bubble canopy posssibly twin rear wing it was a runner as well.
on unraced cars, how about a mclaren mercedes SLR made into a race car for mclaren before the production car even made it to production produced at activa before it went bust, but i seem to recall mclaren never collected it?? and also the new ascari the replacement to the lmp 1 car, got to the drawing board and i believe a model made before klaus started to slow the racecar project down........... |
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Intrigued about this, is there any info out there about this car and what happened to it?
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The Lyncar arrived on the scene around the same time as the equally ugly Ceekar, mid to end of 1983. |
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That Alfa is called either the Alfa Romeo Group C or the SE048 - more in this thread.
Does anyone know who currently owns it? |
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Reading through the thread linked above, it obvious where Audi stole the idea from the R15's nose from! http://tentenths.com/forum/attachmen...2&d=1235928360 |
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What a pretty thing that is. V12 too. Shame I never saw it.
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Yes it did run in a M188 hack in 1989 first, but Minardi rejected it so Enzo Coloni ran it the next year in one of his C3's, having 'sold' his team to them. When it tanked he bought it back for song.
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The Alfa Group C car is a bit perplexing. It is apparently in Alfa Romeo's museum and there's a sign next to it (unfortunately I cannot attach the image I don't think) that indicated it has a 3.5L V10 - Alfa's own engine. The sign dates the car as coming from 1986.
An engine is also featured in the museum outside the car. Contrast this with the photos of the car where you can see easily that it's a V12 and what do you get? A bit of a puzzle I think. Did Alfa change the engine that was in the car at some point? Does anyone know more about this somewhat mysterious machine? |
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Ooh, ooh, ooh! Good luck, Mike.
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