No Barbagallo this year!!!!

[Nivola]

The 5 mill from the government was on the agreement that the V8supercars return to Wanneroo ( I cant say that other name! ) for this year. Now that that agreement by Avesco was thrown out the government don't need to hand it over.

Personally if I was Barnett I would keep the money after the way we as West Australians have been screwed once again by the GST crap. We a minus some where between $200mill and $420mill in GST budget!

[Nivola]

One other thing about history of Wanneroo there has never been a fatality at the venue since it opened except for bikes. Name another venue (Not street track) with that record except Queensland that is such a younger circuit.

[bludvl_x19]

Do you really think that having a tyre in pit lane as a barrier is an OH&S issue? Yes, he hit it, and it stopped him from hitting people. THEREFORE said tyre did its job correctly, and completely. The issue with Barbagello isn't an OH&S one, its that Cocho reckons he can suck some more money out of the WA Government. Hey, it works for Bernie doesn't it??

If OH&S was the issue, the V8's wouldn't be going to Sandown this year, as the pit entry isn't up to scratch by your standards (ever stood at the first garage peck? There isn't anything between you and race traffic) and they have race traffic mingling with pedestrians, nor would they be going to Albert Park (they have to drive through the general plebs to get to pit lane)

[mod]paragraph removed - getting a bit personal, no need[/mod]

[peckstar]

the other day there was a car accident and no one was hurt, therfore cars are safe, oh wait thats bad logic, as is your argument about no one was hurt in the recent barbagello incident, conveniantly missing the rest of the discussion

you may very well be right about sandown (and yes i have stoof there, but the pit entry isnt in the run off area there and as i have said its not just about the pit entry. I have never seen race traffic mingle with pedestrrians at eitehr of thoise tracks, maybe you need to explain that better

why do i defend, its simple it because people like yourself, mislead and misrepresnt and in the spirit of the late don chipp, Im keeping the bludgers honest and on this forum there are many people with vested interests and bias who need to be kept honest.

edit woops had to change the don chipp word because of the auto censor

[bludvl_x19]

Originally Posted by peckstar

the other day there was a car accident and no one was hurt, therfore cars are safe, oh wait thats bad logic, as is your argument about no one was hurt in the recent barbagello incident, conveniantly missing the rest of the discussion

Ok, the whole reason that the car ended up where it was was a combination of a broken car, and a slippery track, they are points that YOU seem to be conveniently ignoring

Originally Posted by peckstar

You may very well be right about sandown (and yes i have stoof there, but the pit entry isnt in the run off area there and as i have said its not just about the pit entry. I have never seen race traffic mingle with pedestrrians at eitehr of thoise tracks, maybe you need to explain that better

My apologies, I meant that paddock traffic mingles with pedestrians, which I believe (I'm not going back to check) was one of the reasons that VESA said that Barbagello wasn't up to scratch. The pit lane entry isn't in the run off, it is actually on race line for a part, all it takes is for a car to break at the wrong moment and you have a car going race speed into a pit garage...THAT is an OH&S issue.

Originally Posted by peckstar

why do i defend, its simple it because people like yourself, mislead and misrepresnt and in the spirit of the late don chipp, Im keeping the bludgers honest and on this forum there are many people with vested interests and bias who need to be kept honest.

edit woops had to change the don chipp word because of the auto censor

I think that you will find that Don Chipp was keeping the Government honest
We (the royal one btw) see the V8 circus from two angles, the one that they want us to see, and the one that we see while working at racemeetings, and from our sources inside the business. We have come to similar conclusions separately, based on our experiences, and the fact that they are similar conclusions should speak volumes about the legitimacy of our individual thought processes.
At the end of the day, who do you believe: VESA, whose buisiness and incom rests upon punters listening to them, or a dedicated bunch of experienced volunteers who give up their weekends time and time again? I know which one I would be paying creedance to...

[Axeman444]

not having a go at you Peckstar, but you seem to be talking 2 opposite sides of the same argument when it comes to safety, Barbagallo/Wanneroo and the Safety Car issue. Nothing has yet happend involving injury to a marshall in the SC issue so you believe the situation as it stands is ok, yet with Wanneroo nothing has yet happened yet it must be fixed??

[Woolley]

Guys, keep it civil, please, no need to be personal. Post above edited for being borderline attack.

[mountainstar]

There is no question Wanneroo needs some work, but at any cost?

I don't think so and I don't think taxpayers need to be on the hook for it as well.

[cavvy]

Still no mention of VESA scheduling two (2) trips to Barbagallo in one financial year.

There has been mention by VESA of how much it costs to go to WA.

There has been mention of two meetings in one financial year being a problem to WASCC & WA sponsors ...

How flexible are the team budgets?

Simply about today money for VESA.

[racer69]

Originally Posted by peckstar

yes they said that 6 years ago, still waiting, they also said it again 5 years ago, 4 years ago, 3 years ago, 2 years ago, 1 year ago and even 1 month ago, still waiting.

If safety & upgrades have been an issue for 6 years, then why have they kept going back for 6 years?

A track is either safe or it isn't, and if it wasn't safe then they wouldn't have raced on it, no matter what promises were made for the future.

[Conrod Kieron]

Originally Posted by bludvl_x19

Ok, the whole reason that the car ended up where it was was a combination of a broken car, and a slippery track, they are points that YOU seem to be conveniently ignoring

My apologies, I meant that paddock traffic mingles with pedestrians, which I believe (I'm not going back to check) was one of the reasons that VESA said that Barbagello wasn't up to scratch. The pit lane entry isn't in the run off, it is actually on race line for a part, all it takes is for a car to break at the wrong moment and you have a car going race speed into a pit garage...THAT is an OH&S issue.

I'm not even sure you cold say it's on part of the race line. If a car brakes at the wrong moment coming into Ford fast brake, it will spear off into the sandtrap, which is in fact the 'runoff' for that corner.

Yes, VESA's main OHSS was to do with the car mingling with punters in the paddock area, this was resolved by using portable barriers to create a pedestrian free 'lane' - isn't this what they did at VESA's own Hombush?
Its certainly not the best, but it does remove it as an OHSS issue.

Pit exit is no different many other circuits where there is an immediate conrer so no issue at all here.

Pit lane width is a bit of an issue, but at 40km/h how much of a problem is it really? and if it really is a problem, how about 3 x sprint races with no pit stops until Wanneroo is upgraded as planned? doesn't take a rocket scientist to work around the issue.

At the end of the day, who do you believe: VESA, whose buisiness and incom rests upon punters listening to them, or a dedicated bunch of experienced volunteers who give up their weekends time and time again? I know which one I would be paying creedance to...

I'm firmly with the volunteers, and aside, I think they should be payed for V8 rounds, everyone else is making a buck partially off the back of these people.

[snappa]

Here Here Keiron . I have worked both in pit lane and as a spectator marshal in the pits at barbagallo and at no time have I ever felt like my life or anyone elses was in grave danger. If the problems here cannot be worked around from an OH&S perspective then really who is trying to work for the betterment of motorsport as a whole?

[gemini4]

Originally Posted by racer69

If safety & upgrades have been an issue for 6 years, then why have they kept going back for 6 years?

Valid point ....
.... which is probably why TC cited a crowd booze problem at the circuit in todays news. Apparently 1 guy misbehaved. OMG!! I had no idea.

[St00ge]

Originally Posted by gemini4

Valid point ....
.... which is probably why TC cited a crowd booze problem at the circuit in todays news. Apparently 1 guy misbehaved. OMG!! I had no idea.

So the punter camping at Bathurst is allowed 1 carton per day no dramas, but the punters in WA are rowdy and out of control on the turps

He will be out of excuses soon

[Oldtony]

Be interesting if TC is using a crowd booze problem as an excuse for not going back to Wanerooo.
That is exactly the reason that the locals are using to fight against the VB ( er sorry freudian slip) V8 meeting on the emasculated Surfers circuit.
VESA is certainly selective in its arguments. Booze sponsorship keeps it going. But it is a big problem on one side of the continent but one of the attractions on the other. And then of course it is something to be denied on overseas jaunts.
How mixed can your message get TC?

[cavvy]

Originally Posted by gemini4

Valid point ....
.... which is probably why TC cited a crowd booze problem at the circuit in todays news. Apparently 1 guy misbehaved. OMG!! I had no idea.

got a link gemini4?

One of my mates from Westrac didnt drive home, might be him?

[gemini4]

http://www.v8supercars.com.au/newsar...5/default.aspx

[NewsStalker]

Memo to Tony Cochrane:

So - are you now also going to remove Bathurst from your calendar - or will this simply drive the final nail into the coffin that buries all credibility from yourself and V8 Supercars Australia in respect to alcohol and its involvement at V8 meetings?

[Nivola]

The funny thing is the guy in question in WA had Save V8's in perth on his chest!

[Oldtony]

VESA is actually in a very dodgy situation at present if a couple of politicians get onto an "Anti binge drinking", "Ban alchopops" and "Drink driving" campaign.
A very large portion of the crowd at Surfers, and probably many other events go for a big day out rather than the racing, and any further limitations on drinking would not be popular. The Series, and individual teams depend on alchohol sponsorship and advertising, and on course sales are a big part of the revenue return on meetings.
No wonder it's getting touchy.

[D.R.T.]

That is a new low for Tony Cochrane.

[TSR]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

That is a new low for Tony Cochrane.

Has the Black Wiggle finally lost the plot

[Woolley]

We just think it’s completely and totally unacceptable for us as a major sport to allow people to BYO into an event in this day and age

The problem would seem to be not that people are drinking, but that they're not buying it at the circuit. I suggest it's an issue of money rather than morals.

[peckstar]

oh dear, the world is coming to an end, because i cant take my own alcohol

oh wait, that means its just like every other sport or concert and many restaurants and shops

how precious some of you are

[cavvy]

Originally Posted by peckstar

oh dear, the world is coming to an end, because i cant take my own alcohol

oh wait, that means its just like every other sport or concert and many restaurants and shops

how precious some of you are

& your comments on the drinking too much aspect of Coch0s press release ..

Looking after its followers is more a club thing isnt it peck, & the WASCC do need to consider the income stream pourage rights might bring?