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30 Jan 2023, 13:49 (Ref:4142215) | #126 | |
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Having 'one' set of rules is one thing, running combined races is another. You guys keep forgetting how much of a mess it was back in '11 with the combined ILMC race, race control got all in a tizzy when a ILMC entrant would collide with an ALMS one and both sanctioning bodies vowed to never do it again.
Besides, a combined event will only work at a non-marque IMSA event which very much rules out the current Michelin Endurance Cup tracks (Indy rumored to be added in '24). Also, WEC will probably use air freight courtesy of Qatar to transport all their stuff from Europe to US to Asia considering the timelines. |
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30 Jan 2023, 15:54 (Ref:4142227) | #127 | |
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Yeah that 2011 Sebring is the elephant in the room and it's 257 podium ceremonies.
There's ways to make it all work but it all comes back to egos. It will end up with the ACO controlling 100% of a worse show somewhere else, rather than simply being a guest at the coolest party in town. |
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30 Jan 2023, 16:12 (Ref:4142231) | #128 | ||
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If you can put GTP teams and cars (minor modded) into Le Mans why not put LMH cars plus GTP (plus LMP2 IMSA and possibly WEC and/or LMP3) into a single race under IMSA rules)? And race GTD etc from both on the day before or whatever suits US tv best for 2 x 12 hour races.
Single races every position counts and single podium for overall etc. You can score how you like but any cars not running IMSA season in top class etc get points that that don’t really go anywhere. Do a WEC score the same way - make positions count. Would be good to see LMH at Rolex but could not do the 2nd race above. Drafting chains like in the MX5 events not really a feature in the 24. Is Michelin endurance cup a competition entirely within IMSA Weathertech just at the longer events? Isn’t that just an example of scoring a single race two ways? |
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30 Jan 2023, 17:58 (Ref:4142244) | #129 | ||
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Yep, the Michelin Endurance Cup is a series of 4 races within the WeatherTech series.
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31 Jan 2023, 10:32 (Ref:4142291) | #130 | ||
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This is off topic, but does anybody knows where can I buy tickets for the 1000 of Sebring? I can’t find them anywhere. I can see tickets for the IMSA 12 hours of Sebring through the race track website and the IMSA website, but can not find the WEC tickets anywhere.
The second question. IMSA has tickets for Friday and Saturday events, would I be able to access the WEC events/race with this ticket? Or you will need to have the appropriate ticket for each event/series. The WEC race is on Friday so I’m wondering if I will be able to access this race with the IMSA ticket for Friday and Saturday. Thank you in advance |
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31 Jan 2023, 10:36 (Ref:4142292) | #131 | ||
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31 Jan 2023, 11:20 (Ref:4142294) | #132 | ||
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Personally, can't get worked up about anything at Indy; not even sure I want to do the 500.
WEC heading to the sunshine and money of the Middle East ? Meh, I'd rather watch those cars round Spa or even the oft-derided Silverfence than the latest Middle East tarmac-drome. But Watkins Glen, Road America, Mid Ohio are on the bucket list ... |
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31 Jan 2023, 13:37 (Ref:4142305) | #133 | ||
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The GTD only events are to accommodate tracks where GTPs might not work as well, Lime Rock and ViR, and the GT pros not at Detroit to allow for LM prep. They didn't suddenly kick teams out of the series for a desired event, especially an event the teams can sell a seat or 2 extra to another Silver to fund the team. You would be cutting off the financial supply for teams to make your desire of 2 series with 2 very different goals. Oh and your LM argument is a fallacy at its base, the entire IMSA field is not invited so merging is not even close to the same thing. |
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31 Jan 2023, 15:14 (Ref:4142310) | #134 | ||
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BTW, 4 day admission is only $10 more than a 2-day one (115 vs 105) so maybe pack early and arrive Wed or Thu? |
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31 Jan 2023, 16:01 (Ref:4142312) | #135 | ||
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I see the attraction from a marketing point of view of going to Indy but from a fans point of view it gives me zero enthusiasm. The road course at Indy is just not very exciting imo.
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1 Feb 2023, 02:12 (Ref:4142358) | #136 | |
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I like the IndyCar road course race though and with that track being only 2.4 miles in length (assuming they'll use the IndyCar layout, SRO did so for last year's 8H race) it might actually produce some good racing, especially with the packed top class in 2024.
The lap record is 1:09.38 (Newgarden) so I'd expect the Hypercars to do it in 1:15ish (the GT3 qualy lap record is 1:22.1). |
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My main question is why LMH cars are not going into some of the IMSA Weathertech events? Daytona Rolex has 60 odd cars, Sebring has recently ranged from 38 to 53 I believe and some events like Long Beach GP seem to have a much smaller field below 30? Plus there are the GTD circuit events. (11 races only 6 with all 5 classes). Some events also exclude LMP2 & LMP3. So could LMH teams get a thrid car homogolated for IMSA Weathertech and only do a few races (i.e. get invites for Rolex and Sebring) or would they need to commit to full season for their class? The Sebring IMSA Weathertech format has been in place for 10 years or so |
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2 Feb 2023, 13:53 (Ref:4142511) | #138 | |
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I'm surprised to see the likes of Kvyat and Mazapin being announced as drivers, are the sanctions against Russian drivers lifted or made less restrictive?
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2 Feb 2023, 14:05 (Ref:4142515) | #139 | ||
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2 Feb 2023, 14:07 (Ref:4142518) | #140 | ||
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2 Feb 2023, 15:16 (Ref:4142528) | #141 | ||
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GTD events are run at tracks where GTP would not be as racey, Lime Rock would be entertaining as time trial but not so much the racing itself. But trying to argue there are events that leave out some classes, often by participants' request, is an Marmite to roast beef argument. Yes people like each but no one is paying roast beef price for Marmite, and teams an sell the roast of Daytona, Sebring, Watkins Glen, Road Atlanta FAR easier than 100 min on a track they can run club cars on fairly often. And remember Daytona had a cap with extra cars left off the list so no, there aren't open spaces for more cars just floating out there to be grabbed up. |
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Thread bump!
Roger Penske claims that the FIA WEC is unlikely to race at Indianapolis in the short term. Quote:
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1 Mar 2024, 14:18 (Ref:4199102) | #143 | |
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Very good news, that track is bad for multiclass racing.
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1 Mar 2024, 14:39 (Ref:4199114) | #144 | |
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US round likely to be held @ CotA next year then (as the 2024 deal is rumored to contain an option to extend into 2025) - which isn't a great prospect either. As boring/bad of a road course Indy might be, a double header with IMSA in late summer/early fall would have been better than a stand alone event in the scorching Texan heat.
Not that the series cares about attendance anyway (as this weekend shows). |
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24 Apr 2024, 08:11 (Ref:4206846) | #145 | ||
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Went to the race. Impressed by the large numbers of spectators and that grandstands had to be closed for the race start as they were full. Have not seen this at a sportscar race except Le Mans before.
I also have to say as a spectating venue I find it is better than Monza and easier to reach different parts of the track. Not to mention how easy is to make your way from the Imola train station to the track and back (was based in Bologna for the weekend) I also find it funny that some people have their houses 10 meters from the front straight. Wonder do they get free entry to races since it is literally on their front yard? Would be a bit crappy if they need to pay haha |
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24 Apr 2024, 11:09 (Ref:4206261) | #146 | ||
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Just proves what I mean, this thing is blowing up BIG. If Spa has crowds like this, and that's before Le Mans, and have similar numbers after, it just points out that the right call was made back in '21.
It also means that two more races are needed to bring all of this together: Great Britain and Germany. Then you would have all the major players in the automotive industry, plus a couple that lends excitement to the schedule, as well as the series. |
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Unfortunately, that means they would have to go to the dump that is Silverstone, with organisers who really don't give a damn about 'paying' fans and have absolutely no interest in anything other than F1!
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24 Apr 2024, 13:02 (Ref:4206277) | #148 | |
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Limit yourself to specific Graded tracks and amenities for the fancy folks and you limit where you go. IMSA doesn't give a rip about that and seems to tell them bring an RV, the only hotel around Road Atlanta is a La Quinta and fans and big wigs have to stay there or venture further afield
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24 Apr 2024, 17:08 (Ref:4206847) | #149 | ||
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The sadder aspect to this is, every time this subject comes up the vast majority of people do not like the place.
Yet every year nearly half a million people swarm there to watch probably the most boring, predictable and turgid rubbish, and pay massively over the odds to do so. SO in all honesty why would Silverstone give a toss about any paying punters for anything else. I aim to treat them with the contempt they treat those half a million people every year. |
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24 Apr 2024, 17:11 (Ref:4206308) | #150 | ||
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Our biggest venue in the UK will be to late tot he party and routinely outbid by the Middle East or the USA I would guess.
In fairness to them they hosted it in two era, the last sort of golden era of LMP1 and also the dead years of Toyota and nothing else. They did not want it anymore, and would have little interest in bidding for it, they only care about one event all year anyway, and I would imagine they are quite happy to drop MotoGP when their contract runs out too, as crowds have fallen off a cliff at that event too. |
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