Brabham BT29

[allenbrown]

Nice one Steve

[Andrew Fellowes]

BT29-32 owned at one time by Alex Veronac, some papers were with the car to support this, -Gary Dausch.

[David Irwin]

I've been away awhile.. and have moved to Colorado.

Thought I would add some clarification here.

Joe Blacker bought a BT29 from Gary Dausch, I don't know if it had a chassis number. Then he sold that car to Peter McLaughlin, which I believe he still owns. Joe then bought BT29-2 from John Coughlin. So 2 different cars.

Now in Colorado, I've recently picked-up another BT29, a disassembled pile of bits, and know of 2 other BT29's that have been sitting awhile. Should have all the numbers in due time.

Keep up the great work!! David

[Andrew Fellowes]

BT29-49
Gordie Monroe across Canada as a Formula B car in the early 70s, my thanks to owner Rex Thompson.

Andrew

[Chris Townsend]

Munroe had a BT29 in 1975-76
I have a note of this as Dave Ogilvy's car in 1972
I will email Barry Fox and see if Ogilvy jogs a memory as the buyer of his car

Chris

[lussoman]

I am new to the board but want to write that I recently bought BT29-42 from Asa Candler in Florida, the car is fully sorted and restored by GMT in CT with twin cam big valve. The car was raced in the svra events since 2000 and prior to that was owned by a R. Cooke in the north west. I am in San Francisco. Does anyone have any history of the car with Chet Freeman or later? Thanks.

Chris R.

[Chris Townsend]

Welcome Chris

We'll do our best to fill the gaps in the history of your car but there are some very blank areas in most BT29 histories, since there wasn't a lot of note taken of chassis numbers in period in US FB and if a car raced mainly in SCCA we'll be hard pressed to know all the races it did. Hang in with us and in a while we'll get there...

Chris

[Andrew Fellowes]

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

14: Charlie Hayes for Mike Hiss and then perhaps Graham Baker
Chris

Chris, Graham Baker confirms that he bought his car new through Charlie Hayes in March 1970. He had 10 races in the USA and 4 in Canada before selling it back to Charlie Hayes in November 1970.
Graham's car went to Steve Jennings who took the engine out and the rolling chassis went to ? and sat in storage for 4? years being acquired by Frank Monise jnr who had crashed his other BT29 (#41) at Lugna Seca.

So Graham's car looks like a '69 production, i.e pre no.20 The prime suspects are #6, #16 or #18 though it does not end there.

How does this fit in with your records?

[Chris Townsend]

My hypothesis of 14 was based on Hayes keeping one car, running Hiss in it early season and then when Hiss disappears from a Hayes BT29 Baker appears in one. This won't work if Baker owned his own car and got it in March.
Has anyone talked to Frank Monise Jr?
Also, doesn't 69 production go at least to 25 since that's Schenken's car at Daytona in December

Chris

[Andrew Fellowes]

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

Has anyone talked to Frank Monise Jr?

Yes, and confirms it hadn't had much use.
Amendment. Jennings was an instigator not an owner.

can you give me a couple of days to add a bit more, the chassis is now with David Kent, c'mon David join up you're doing some brilliant leg work!!!!!!

[Andrew Fellowes]

Change couple of days to a couple of hours!

This is the hypothesis,

BT29-? AM69-47
1970 New to Graham Baker via Charlie Hayes and sold back to him in November 1970
1971-4 believed not used, stored in residential garage.
1974 Frank Monise Jr bought it from a tip off by Steve Jenning, Frank had 2 BT29s, he also altered the front frame.
197? Sold to Gary Green (who had 2 BT29s) raced to early 80s
1993 Gary sold to Steve Pike


1974/5 Frank Monise Jr purchased a BT29 rolling chassis from a residential garage, dark red in colour. His understanding is that it was ex Graham Baker. He sold the gearbox & wheels and fitted the engine, gearbox & wheels of his crashed car.
Frank changed the nose to that from a March moving oil tank and radiator to accommodate the new nose. This was done by means of making a new detachable frame (and cutting off the old one).

He sold it to Gary Green who fitted a new roll bar and thus this could be how the the SCCA stamp was lost. Gary purchased a second BT29, after crashing what we understand is AM69-47 his first car.
Gary Green was the last person to have the SCCA log book

Steve Pike bought both Gary’s cars and brought them to Australia.


AM69-47 has a detachable front frame. It has an over size roll hoop with very agricultural welding. It has a section of chassis rail replaced.
Frank Monise’s second car was most likely BT29-41
Gary Green’s second car was BT29-?

[Chris Townsend]

Originally Posted by Andrew Fellowes

AM69-47 has a detachable front frame. It has an over size roll hoop with very agricultural welding. It has a section of chassis rail replaced.
Frank Monise’s second car was most likely BT29-41

Andrew, do you mean that the car which Monise crashed and replaced with AM69-47 was BT29-41, therefore his first car?

Monise has BT29 f/s AW 6.11.76 p.32, which is I guess AM69-47


Chris

[Andrew Fellowes]

Sorry yes you are correct, I got that back to front, BT29-41 was his first car that he crashed and AM69-47 (perhaps ex Baker) was the second.

I haven't come to grips with how many 29s were built in '69 but you must be right about Schenken's, in which case in adds a few more no.s that this chassis could be, darn it.
Andrew

[dan dubrovich]

I purchased bt29-2 from Gary Dausch, raced it in monoposto events and won the forumla b championship with it twice. subsequently sold it to Antonio Sabato of canada. I next saw the car at road america driven by Joe Blacker.I dont know who Joe got the car from.Hope this info is helpful.

[Andrew Fellowes]

Hi Dan and a warm welcome, nice to see you here. Its about 30 years late for me to add my congratulations on the FB Championships, never the less please allow me to do so, usually winning is enjoyable, was it fun or was it hard work?


Can I ask if you are sure about the chassis number? Gary sent me this;

1) Chassis # BT29-03 was one of the bi-plane cars with mounts for the front wings to go over the bodywork in a plane with the front wheels. It was sold to Dan Dubrovich in New York.

(and I have #2 listed as Carl Whitney and Ken Duclose after Tom Scotts accident).

Many thanks Andrew

[Andrew Fellowes]

Anyone got copies of "Finish Line" the newsletter of the California Sports Car Club (a division of the SCCA) from the early 70's?

Andrew

[dan dubrovich]

andrew,sorry if i confused you, the championships that i won were with the monoposto group in the early 90"s. I purchased the car from Gary in either 88 or 89. It was definetly bt29-2 and it is definetly the car that joe blacker had at elkhart when i saw him. the reason i know this was due to some of the mods we had done to the car after a major crash i had at road atlanta in 1990. it was rather spectacular as the car nearly burned to the ground after i was lucky enough to exit. we had been running the original fuel bags at the time and we estimated that there were about 20 gallons of fuel on board at the time. other than that the car was fantastic, one of the most forgiving handling cars that i ever have ever driven.

[Andrew Fellowes]

Originally Posted by dan dubrovich

....other than that the car was fantastic, one of the most forgiving handling cars that i ever have ever driven.

Sounds like you're missing it even though it nearly barbequed you!!!
Thank you for clearing up the chassis number for me.


Looks like BT29-3 may have been Freddie Opert's own car and then vanished.
Andrew

[Andrew Fellowes]

Question on chassis design.

I've seen a BT29 with engine bay bracing from half way along the top of the engine bay on each side to the centre of the rear top cross member, one on either side and both detachable, bit like a Lotus 18.

Is that a common BT29 feature?
Andrew

[Ted Walker]

Yes it is Andrew

[allenbrown]

BT29-46

Some block called Fellowes posted this n the other place.

Originally posted by Andrew Fellowes
Brabham BT29 ......... with Hueland gearbox.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...EF:MOTORS:1123
I think 1969 is wrong and what is the number #9342 after BT29?
Andrew

An addition to the ebay ad says that it's BT29-46.

[Andrew Fellowes]

What an odd Fellow,

apart from the Hueland the car needs nuthing more,

I still can't guess what 9342 is, perhaps its another way of spelling something?

[allenbrown]

9342 might (might) be some sort of SCCA number read off the rollover hoop

[Douglas Brenner]

Sorry I seem to be a few years late on the discussion of my Brabham BT29. I don't know if anyone is still interested in the details, but if you are I will be glad to tell the true details. I still have the original invoice for this car! I can also clear up the Byron Hatten and Frank Monise Jr. things. Let me know what you want to know. I will try to check the forum from time to time. I can also get in touch with Graham Baker. Douglas Brenner
Douglas@brennerfab.com
www.brennerfab.com

[Andrew Fellowes]

Douglas welcome to 10 tenths,

Firstly, what chassis number?

Many thank, Andrew