TCR Australia 2024

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

What’s the resale value of a brand new, new-shape Peugeot TCR race car when there is no place to run them?

You mean the previously homologated one?

They still own Renaults and Alfas too

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Mixer

The odd time here or there is OK but both those grids are strong now, and TCR has literally treaded water with nothing but excuses for 2 years

The theory presumably goes that grids would grow on the Supercars support bill

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

What’s the resale value of a brand new, new-shape Peugeot TCR race car when there is no place to run them?

The way the old-spec Peugeots went in the two South American TCRWT rounds, there’d potentially be a market for them there

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by one five five

The theory presumably goes that grids would grow on the Supercars support bill

My belief is if the category gets less high maintenance ownership and no longer tries to be the big cheese then maybe entry fees are reduced and media could be better, but that doesn't change the facts that the anti competitive supply arrangements make cars that should be cheaper to run than Super2 more expensive.

[GTRMagic]

While AdCafe now has a survey..

[Mixer]

The current string of articles and the strenuous denials from ARG seem to indicate a revolt might be brewing.

Would Mr Lotti be OK with TCR running with AASA?

Made more complicated by the issues around TCR logbooks and so on but restraint of trade is an interesting area of law.

[one five five]

MA holds the local TCR rights which were tendered out to ARG to run the series, I wonder how long that contract is for?

[GTRMagic]

Contracts for running the series seem irrelevant when nobody wants to show up with the fust collecting cars in their back sheds, unused..

[racer69]

The interesting thing about the 2024 TCR/SpeedSeries season is that, using QR as an example, the only stories & reporting to come out of that round (beyond race results & disqualifications) in the general motorsport media was all about the low TCR grid numbers and the Olyphant incident.

Nothing noteworthy about the GT’s or Trans-Am despite those being made out as the standouts of the program this year.

[one five five]

AA reporting this week that TCR rumoured to feature on Supercars support bill for four of their six rounds next year

[chavez]

FIA TCR World Series will be racing at the Bend next year.

Their main support category will be Supercars for their inaugural running of the Bend 500.

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by chavez

FIA TCR World Series will be racing at the Bend next year.

Their main support category will be Supercars for their inaugural running of the Bend 500.

I see what you did there......

Story here - putting the best international foot forward might be the way for TCR to effectively start over here.

[Mixer]

Great announcement. Sad fact that if they did try a 500km race, you might not have a podium.

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[one five five]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Great announcement. Sad fact that if they did try a 500km race, you might not have a podium.

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Yet TCR cars successfully do endurance races in other parts of the world…….

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by one five five

Yet TCR cars successfully do endurance races in other parts of the world…….

As stated MANY times over they have endurance packages NONE of the local cars have or will have. They were like teapots when they tried a 20 lapper at Bathurst. Between lack of robustness and driving standards, it is just never going to happen. HMO and VAG are the most reliable and even they broke cars in 20 laps at Bathurst.

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[Vassago]

Brad Harris bumped Soutar into the wall (Tony D got collected as well) in SMP Race 2 which probably hands the title to Buchan if Soutar DNS in the last race now.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Mixer

As stated MANY times over they have endurance packages NONE of the local cars have or will have. They were like teapots when they tried a 20 lapper at Bathurst. Between lack of robustness and driving standards, it is just never going to happen. HMO and VAG are the most reliable and even they broke cars in 20 laps at Bathurst.

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Why would anyone attempt an enduro without the endurance kit? Everyone knows the local cars don’t have them, so therefore why even bother bringing it up?

Are they not doing 20 laps at Bathurst this year like in 21 & 22? From what I was told last years races were only shortened due to TCR World Tour TV windows.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by one five five

Why would anyone attempt an enduro without the endurance kit? Everyone knows the local cars don’t have them, so therefore why even bother bringing it up?



Are they not doing 20 laps at Bathurst this year like in 21 & 22? From what I was told last years races were only shortened due to TCR World Tour TV windows.

ARG were the ones who started talking about it for what became the big festival weekend. Same time they decreed we would get hybrid updates.
No Alfas or Renaults now.
Hyundai, Audi, Peugeot and the fake Chinese brand probably reliable enough although one Pug did blow a turbo last time around.

Am I the only one wondering who GRM might sell cars to? Surely they need a European support base.

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[one five five]

Originally Posted by Mixer

ARG were the ones who started talking about it for what became the big festival weekend. Same time they decreed we would get hybrid updates.
No Alfas or Renaults now.
Hyundai, Audi, Peugeot and the fake Chinese brand probably reliable enough although one Pug did blow a turbo last time around.

There has been no talk of any enduro for TCR Australia since Covid.

The only person to bring enduros back up was you with reference to the world round supporting the Bend 500

Hybrids were talked about in 2022 around the time the TCR World Tour was launched. That’s seemingly coke to nothing.

Originally Posted by Mixer

Am I the only one wondering who GRM might sell cars to? Surely they need a European support base.

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There might be some South American interest given how well the old model went at Interlagos.

Do they still have a relationship with the Clairet family?

[GTRMagic]

11 entries for the final, and the only known pilot isn’t running, giving his car back to its owner…

Story Here

If someone wanted to rent one of the many chassis sitting in sheds, it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that a Bathurst top 10 in a national category awaits..

[Mixer]

Those that own them looking for other places to run...

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[GTRMagic]

Not a single Peugeot sticker on them anywhere

[Mixer]

I admire GRM for doing it but it seems TCR worldwide is in decline, how many can they sell?

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[one five five]

General feeling talking to team owners and some drivers yesterday was while more cars would be better, they didn’t seem overly worried by only 11….

…..which is weird, but maybe they know something for next year is coming (ie….Supercars?)

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

11 entries for the final, and the only known pilot isn’t running, giving his car back to its owner…

Sounds like Honda wouldn’t pay to fix the car or the budget was used up. Tony D saying the car was damaged so he’s out of this weekend is a weird excuse given Will Harris is driving that exact car and it’s fully liveried up in its new colours so obviously it’s been known for a little while that Tony’s not running. Presumably Harris was willing to fix it?

Honda Australia is in some trouble of late generally, not a surprise a niche TCR program was dropped

Originally Posted by Mixer

I admire GRM for doing it but it seems TCR worldwide is in decline, how many can they sell?

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Speaking to some of the team yesterday, I don’t think that’s the priority, just a bonus.

Sounded as if GRM wanted to build their own cars and Peugeot obliged with the IP support. If Peugeot Sport France cared they’d have done the cars in Europe presumably