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there's nothing alleged about anything and it "appears" i am "trying" to volunteer to flag the 2012 gp which will go alongside all the continental meetings i will be "allegedly" doing
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Exflagman not being funny but what is with the sudden personal attack on NY01? You have made some interesting comments on this thread which I have on the whole enjoyed reading but your last few have really lowered any value that your views may have. Now I'm sure that NY01 doesn't need anyone fighting their battles for them but can we please quit the personal digs and keep the posts relevant to the actually topic that we are discussing.
At the end of the day we are all here discussing current marshalling and as your User name says your an Exflagman and whilst your views are valid so are those of new (and current) marshals like NY01. |
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I guess I was just trying to understand how the current training/grading system seems to have resulted in someone attempting to go from trainee to GP flag marshal in one season. Yes, as the user name suggests, I have been off the scene for a few years for a variety of reasons, but some people keep trying to persuade me to come back and help out with training new flag marshals and I have been posting in an attempt to understand what the real atmosphere is like rather than the idealised situation that the MSA seems to think exists. If I have upset anyone, NY01 in particular, than I appologise. |
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I'm pretty sure having an experienced ex flaggie back in the fold helping trainee flag marshals would be welcomed by all marshals and if we can tempt you back trust me we will try! As you so rightly say the MSA have an idealised view of things which isn't helped by our representatives on the Marshals Working Group being the very people who came up with this grading scheme and the problems that it has caused. Heads in the sand and all that! |
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Wow, you people in the Uk really have it tough don't you. Lets start with race tracks, Anglesey, Brands, Caldwell Park, Castle Combe, Croft, Donnington, Knockhill, Mallory Park, Oulton Park, Rockingham, Silverstone, Snetterton, Thruxton, and the list goes on, and you have the luxury to decline to flag if you so desire. Here on the east of Canada, we have 1 road course, Atlantic Motorsport Park. At the best of times we might be able to rustle up 25 people who are competent enough to do comms, incident, flagging, all of the colors, including black and meatball, hell some of us even take a shot at race control. No ill will, just pure envy really. Normally during regional stuff, we are an army of 1. Getiing back to the original question, no, not flagging doesn't make you a lesser marshal, but in my career " so " far, there has never been an event where I haven't done it all during a weekend.
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We / me would love to have you ply your trade @ AMP GTB. We never turn away a warm competent body. You can stay with us, free of charge. We have a great little track, 1.6 miles, elevation of 100 feet or so, 11 turns, the last club owned track left in North America I believe. As we say here " Nos Ludos Intra Vehicula " latin for " We play in traffic ". Come play with us.
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Thankyou for that assessment, it means a lot! Although, I must say, I doesn't learnin English at the schooling, I learning it on the interwebz! Seriously, most of what I know comes from the internet... Hey, is there a YouTube video on how to flag? Maybe I can learn all that on the internet too, so I don't need to put myself out IRL? Well, as I said, this is how I feel right now. Maybe things will change, but I'm perfectly happy in the pits at the moment, and hope to have a go at fishing cars out of gravel next season too. Maybe I'll try flagging, but I'm saying "I don't know" for now. I'm sorry I can't be less defeatist about it, but that's just the way it is! Honestly, do you really think I'm that good with my English? Damn, maybe I've got to have a go at Welsh now... Can't be that good at something and keep on trying to get better at it! Hmmm, what's Welsh for "I talk too much"? |
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Just picked up on this discussion - wow, so much of it!
My tuppence-worth: When I started marshalling, I always knew that I wanted to be a flaggie. Partly due to having a bad knee but mainly because it looked like fun. I managed to get my "red badge" because in those days you had to have the full set of grades if you wanted to become an Observer. (Hindsight - I don't ever want to be a Post Chief!) I was (aged 25), and still am not (aged 47), ever going to be any good at carrying fire bottles or dealing with incidents so I found my niche and left all that to those better able/suited to it. So, does that make me a bad marshal because I won't do incident??? In my defence, I will say that after umpty-ump years saying "I will only flag", for the last few years I have undertaken any number of other duties (race phones, paddock gate at Mallory, Assembly, PieLady, TeaLady) and a whole new experience has opened up. After this rather trying year, flagging actually seems a bit tame! I think what I'm saying is that you should do what you think best suits you. This may change over time or depending on circumstance. We are volunteering our services after all, and every job needs somebody to do it so no "job" is better than another. It doesn't hurt to have skills under your belt and, in these current times, you might have to wave a few flags. It isn't a "chore" (says the flaggie) so look on it as a new experience. So long as you manage the yellow/green, don't get hung up about the blue - 20 years on and I will still throw the blue down in disgust at getting it wrong! |
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I had a similar start ri Sheelaghm but different outcome. When I started circuits I wanted to flag but knew I'd have to do course trainee first. As a result I found how much I enjoyed incident so that I completed my red badge first before starting on the blue. To this day I split my season almost equally between hill-climbs, flag and incident.
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Bit late to the topic, but this is something I've been fairly vocal about, so I'll stick my tuppence in.
Does not wanting to flag make you a bad marshal? No. Refusing to on the other hand might. I think one of the good things that has happened over the last few years is the necessity for marshals to be able to do any duty if numbers are tight. The fact you might not be good at it is pretty irrelevant if you're doing it because nobody else can / will. On the broader point, I'm one of the people who won't upgrade because of the flagging requirement, and I've had this stance since the day the current system was introduced. Why? I can flag although I don't believe I'm particularly good at it, and I will flag if there aren't enough qualified flaggies to go around. But that is the only circumstance in which I intend to flag, so I don't see why I should have to get five signatures for flagging when in an ideal world I won't ever have to do it again. It would be the same if I was expected to get five signatures for assembly or pits. Perhaps the question should really be 'Does refusing to flag make you a less well-rounded marshal'? |
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My problem often arises that I WANT to flag, but when they (Sign-on persons) see my Black X badge they somehow want me to Observe!
This however, can be overcome by volunteering for Donington where I can do both.....at the same time lol! |
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