ALMS 2012 rumour entry list .

[Deleted]

You're starting to sound more like a businessman than racing enthusiastist I'm sure fans of soccer or something like that would laugh at this discussion. I guess if your football players are crappier than your opponent's you should either ask the organizer to give you five extra players (or doping), or just give up while you can. Even if you are competing on the highest level.

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by Chiana

You're starting to sound more like a businessman than racing enthusiastist

Ha, History Major and Poli-Sci Minor, actually.

But yeah, at times I find racing politics almost as exciting as the actual racing.

Going a little OT here:

I'm sure fans of soccer or something like that would laugh at this discussion. I guess if your football players are crappier than your opponent's you should either ask the organizer to give you five extra players, or just give up while you can.

Well, many stick and ball sports have a salary cap - and while soccer doesn't have one on an international level, the German Bundesliga for example has a pretty draconical licensing policy to make sure that teams do not overextend themselves financially...

[Deleted]

Well fine then, create budget cap for prototype classes or whatever - it's not like Audi or Penske are coming back any time soon.

[broadrun96]

Originally Posted by Chiana

Well fine then, create budget cap for prototype classes or whatever - it's not like Audi or Penske are coming back any time soon.

Thought we had that already, called LMP2. Problem is when Dyson and others want to run big toys at P2 costs.

[AGD]

Originally Posted by JAG

If Dyson and MM both start with 2012 cars, there's no reason for BoP, HPD put on a good show at Sebring but by the end of 2011 the Lola was arguably the class of the petrol field, Dyson's 2011 car was a hybrid P1/P2, they had power/weight breaks, but ran P2 tyres and such.

Dyson's car may have been slightly faster at the end of the year. Ok, it only went up against a grandfathered Lola, ran light, and had several restrictor breaks during the season (granted, the Aston got a couple of breaks too, but not nearly as many as the Dyson Mazola). So, anyway, I'm not really sure what them being faster at the end of the season really meant now that HPD is back with a presumably refined product run by a good team.

Originally Posted by joeb

If both dyson and mm start with new 2012 rules cars, I hope there are no preseason adjustments.

We can hope, but I'm thinking there may be BoP on the basis of Dyson/Smith/Cochran vs Luhr/Graf/3rd Pro alone. I guess the ALMS does not have to conform to ACO regs at Sebring this year so anything may be fair game. We'll see though. Hopefully there are no adjustments at all, but we'll see.

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Well, many stick and ball sports have a salary cap - and while soccer doesn't have one on an international level, the German Bundesliga for example has a pretty draconical licensing policy to make sure that teams do not overextend themselves financially...

Yes, stick-and-ball sports have salary caps (not baseball) and reverse performance dictated entry drafts here in the US. Those are BoPs of sorts, but it's not like the leagues make the dominators play with blindfolds while spotting points to the weaker opposition. That's the way some of these racing series are now. Plus, you don't have performance adjustments on the basis of how much someone has paid for ads on behalf of the commissioner (or something like that) in stick-and-ball sports. Well, maybe in the NBA.

[lms]

Libra racing in alms next year. I hope they got a nissan or hpd engine. Or that ecoboost thing

http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...ance-9124.html

Ian Dawson: "We will do the full season of ALMS LMP2 with a program, again with the Radical implementation specifications 2012 is now equipped with a new engine.

We will begin testing in the United States in mid-January and Andrew Prendeville was retained as a number one driver. "



A second car of the Libra Racing Radical-another-could also be aligned.



Ian Dawson: "We are working on the second car and we are looking from this perspective the drivers on a budget but we rely heavily on the provision of a reliable engine to fit a frame that is reliable and very economical, which in testing earlier this year seemed very competitive. "

[FordCosworthPanoz]

Originally Posted by lms

Libra racing in alms next year. I hope they got a nissan or hpd engine. Or that ecoboost thing

http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...ance-9124.html

Ian Dawson: "We will do the full season of ALMS LMP2 with a program, again with the Radical implementation specifications 2012 is now equipped with a new engine.

We will begin testing in the United States in mid-January and Andrew Prendeville was retained as a number one driver. "



A second car of the Libra Racing Radical-another-could also be aligned.



Ian Dawson: "We are working on the second car and we are looking from this perspective the drivers on a budget but we rely heavily on the provision of a reliable engine to fit a frame that is reliable and very economical, which in testing earlier this year seemed very competitive. "

All we need now is an announcement from Signature Motorsports. What ever happened to Lotus Sport USA Ian?

[JAG]

Originally Posted by AGD

Dyson's car may have been slightly faster at the end of the year. Ok, it only went up against a grandfathered Lola, ran light, and had several restrictor breaks during the season (granted, the Aston got a couple of breaks too, but not nearly as many as the Dyson Mazola). So, anyway, I'm not really sure what them being faster at the end of the season really meant now that HPD is back with a presumably refined product run by a good team.

I'm thinking more of Rebellion's Lola's, cars that were very different at the end of the season compared to Sebring, will be further improved in 2012, and are reportedly what Dyson will run.

[The Badger]

http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...ance-9124.html

Im not laughing at this . Should be a decent package ..... if ...... it happens .

Wish them well . Im hacked off with hearing talk from this outfit ..... lets see some action for a change .

Ive got a good feelin about this effort , for a change .

[Fogelhund]

Well, you are one of the few not laughing, and I would think most aren't expecting much, if they actually show at all.

[The Badger]

Yeah , I know what their reputation is like ..... but its a good little chassis , with a decent engine (I assume its the same as the Signature engine) ..... and Dawson does know his stuff . I hope for their sake they get it working ..... cuz their fast becoming a JLOC effort if it doesnt happen .

[WMUCarGuy]

Originally Posted by The Badger

Yeah , I know what their reputation is like ..... but its a good little chassis , with a decent engine (I assume its the same as the Signature engine) ..... and Dawson does know his stuff . I hope for their sake they get it working ..... cuz their fast becoming a JLOC effort if it doesnt happen .

Judging by Dawson's efforts from the very beginning with the Radical which I believe go back to 2008, I doubt it matters what engine or chassis they run...

[joeb]

Originally Posted by The Badger

http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...ance-9124.html

Im not laughing at this . Should be a decent package ..... if ...... it happens .

Wish them well . Im hacked off with hearing talk from this outfit ..... lets see some action for a change .

Ive got a good feelin about this effort , for a change .

Interestingly, the picture on EI actually shows that the car has a fin on it. Still has a Nissan badge too, so hopefully it is the new Zytek Nissan.

[Coach Ep]

Originally Posted by joeb

Interestingly, the picture on EI actually shows that the car has a fin on it. Still has a Nissan badge too, so hopefully it is the new Zytek Nissan.

It´s an old picture from halfway 2010. Last time the car was seen on track was Petit 2010 when it ran without fin. Picture from DSC.

It was powered by an IES, Nissan-derived engine (I think it´s this company but I´m not sure).

[knighty]

last time I spoke to Ian he was making noises about using an un-tried LMP2 engine from a reputable engine builder......probably best for me not to mention names but if the deal can be put together I think it will do a respectible job.......although I think Ian is fast realising that you need to put your hands quite deep into your pockets if you want a good reliable LMP engine......despite his best efforts, and mine too as I have helped and advised him on many occasions over the past years, he has done himself no favours by using untried cheap LMP engines.......like the wise man once said, if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys........I doubt that any of the current LMP engine suppliers will be prepared to supply a low budget engine programme, so I think the time has come for Ian to run a full cost LMP engine, no matter who its from..........failing everything above, I think bolting in an LMPC engine would work a treat as they were faster than the IES 4.0 Nissan last year.......anyway like everyone else on the forum, I'll believe it when I see it......but best of luck either way

[adam46]

Honestly I think that because of the World Endurance Championship, both the ALMS & the Le Mans Series will die out ALMS might be able to pull through if they find a way of joining Grand-AM or DTM USA if that ever happens. As for LMS, maybe the SPEED EuroSeries but I doubt it will last mch longer.

[The Badger]

I think the LMS will survive as it is , a European based feeder , series for the WEC . There is plenty of teams who might not have the funds for cavorting all over the world ..... for that reason alone , it will survive , imo , but with a reduced field , and possibily reduced quality .

[Acid09]

I´m not worried about the ELMS, it will scale back into a healthy size and there's the need for a European feeder series for the WEC.

The ALMS is in much bigger trouble, none of which is really related to the WEC though, the issues they´re having have been going on for years.

[Rodger Davies]

WEC is just another in a long line of threats to ALMS, key amongst which being Grand Am obviously but Indycar to a degree too.


Won't hold my breath for the Radical but I hope he gets that programme sorted someday.

[AGD]

Originally Posted by knighty

although I think Ian is fast realising that you need to put your hands quite deep into your pockets if you want a good reliable LMP engine......despite his best efforts, and mine too as I have helped and advised him on many occasions over the past years, he has done himself no favours by using untried cheap LMP engines

We know about the past, but current LMP2 engines are cost-capped, no? In theory, Ian should know what it costs to compete with a favorable engine. If Ian wants to go cheap in a cost-capped class, well, what can I say? I don't think he can tarnish his reputation any more than he already has so far.

[johncho]

Originally Posted by AGD

We know about the past, but current LMP2 engines are cost-capped, no? In theory, Ian should know what it costs to compete with a favorable engine. If Ian wants to go cheap in a cost-capped class, well, what can I say? I don't think he can tarnish his reputation any more than he already has so far.

I can tell you his new engine is not from a cheap place, although i'm sure it meets the cost cap. As for the chassis and drivers, we proabaly wont know until the sebring test. My question is, does the ACO count the radical chassis as cost capped? remember that level 5 ended up with different restrictor sizes for their coupe- and open- lola's, because only the open car was classified as cost capped.

[Jonerz]

While the ACO's opinion will matter if Ian plans to take it to the LMS, WEC or Le Mans, I think the ALMS will do what's best for its entrants in terms of penalties for not meeting the cost cap.

Opinion: The ALMS won't force him to buy a new chassis by making his six(?) year old chassis uncompetitive with big restrictor penalties for not being a ACO cost capped LMP2.

Chris

[skycafe]

Ironic observation-the Radical was conceived, built and sold at what would be the equivalent of cost capped rates, compared to the other's offerings of the time, and it may not meet the current cost cap? It would meet the spirit of cost capped wouldn't it?

[WolfsburgRS]

Speaking of Radicals, SR9-004 is sitting not more than a few miles from my shop. The owner Gunnar Van de Steur, who ran the car in the ALMS from 06-09, owns an Audi RS4 which we work on.

[Dyson Mazda]

LMP1
2/3x Dyson Racing Lola B12/90
1x Muscle Milk HPD ARX-03a
1x Intersport Racing
1x Autocon Racing


LMP2
2x Level 5 HPD ARX-01g
1x Conquest OAK/Morgan
1x Black Swan Racing Lola B12/80
2x Libra Racing Radical SR-9
1x Dempsey Racing Lola B12/80 (Part Time)
1x Starworks Racing (just thrown out there by a reliable source on another forum)


LMPC
2x Core Autosport Oreca FLM09
1x Dempsey Racing Oreca FLM09
1x Muscle Milk Racing Oreca FLM09
1x Bar 1 Motorsport Oreca FLM09
1x Performance Tech Oreca FLM09
1x PR1/Mathiasen Racing Oreca FLM09
1x Genoa Racing Oreca FLM09


GTE
2x Flying Lizards Porsche 911 GT3 RSR
2x Corvette Racing Corvette C6R.
2x BMW RLL BMW M3 GT2
2x Extreme Motorsports Ferrari 458 GTC
1/2x Falken Racing Porsche 911 GT3 RSR
1x Paul Miller Racing Porsche 911 GT3 RSR
1x Risi Competizione Ferrari 458 GTC
2x Alex Job Racing
1/2x Jaguar RSR Jaguar XKR GT

GTC
1x Green Hornet Racing Porsche 997 GT3 Cup
1x JDX Racing Porsche 997 GT3 Cup
1x NGT Motorsport Porsche 997 GT3 Cup
1/2x The Racer's Group Porsche 997 GT3 Cup
1x Magnus Racing Porsche 997 GT3 Cup (Sebring, Long Beach, Baltimore, PLM)
1x Global Motorsports Group Porsche 997 GT3 Cup

LMP1: 3
LMP2: 4
LMPC:5
GTE: 10
GTC: 4
Totals: 26