[Multi 21] f1 is boring. manufactured for tv.

[Knowlesy]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

great another track in the middle of no where and no spectators.

Less gimmicks ruining the action though.

[321Go]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

great another track in the middle of no where and no spectators.

Here's another Hermann Tilke track in the works!

[Aysedasi]

Hmmm - but that looks rather good - nice long banked straight leading into a sweeping right hander - never Tilke!

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by 321Go

Here's another Hermann Tilke track in the works!

One can only presume that it's the use of gravity enhancement that keeps those cars glued to the track?

[Born Racer]

Are those white horizontal stripes part of the kerb? How to define the limit of the track?

It would also appear Bernie came up with a simple way of producing a night race.

[Knowlesy]

Regarding your sig BR; I would suggest that is when the bull starts.

[formerf1champ]

Originally Posted by migliacars

f1 is boring.
manufactured for tv.
the people who watch it have no idea about real motorsport.
i used to really enjoy it.

it really helps me to sleep though. i think i fell asleep in all of the races.

there is much better motorsport about.

When did you use to really enjoy it, and what did you like about it?

[migliacars]

Originally Posted by formerf1champ

When did you use to really enjoy it, and what did you like about it?

As a child watching F1 with my old man from about 1990 when I was nine up to around 2001. Watching Johnny Herbert in the lotus, boy was I excited back then. But then in around 2002 I got involved in to club Motorsport and drifted away from it as most weekends were taken up. Started watching F1 again in about 2009 but its just not the same any more. Still its rare I miss a race but most of the time I find it an anti climax. As I do with most single make championships.
I use to enjoy the continuous engine blow ups and cars retiring left right and centre, as that is Motor sport, highly stressed engines on there limits.

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by migliacars

I use to enjoy the continuous engine blow ups and cars retiring left right and centre, as that is Motor sport, highly stressed engines on there limits.

i used to find cartoons more exciting when i was a child then now that im all growns up!

but seriously also miss the unreliability too. in that respect its far too sanitized.

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

but seriously also miss the unreliability too. in that respect its far too sanitized.

I'm with you both there.

'Back in the days', there was always the extra and unpredictable reliability factor. You could drive the car hard but you risked mechanical failure, punctures, bits falling off, you name it. Now, everything is just that little bit too reliable - and don't you find that when a car rarely does break down, you always wished it had happened to the unlucky driver's team-mate......

In all seriousness, I agree this is definitely a factor, IMO.

[Marbot]

Should the reliability of one particular teams car have an effect on a particular drivers standing in the drivers championship? hmmmm.............Yes, but only if no one ever moans about it.

No doubt there will be the usual, could have, should have, would have, stories in this seasons championship.

[Scooter185]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

I'm with you both there.

'Back in the days', there was always the extra and unpredictable reliability factor. You could drive the car hard but you risked mechanical failure, punctures, bits falling off, you name it. Now, everything is just that little bit too reliable - and don't you find that when a car rarely does break down, you always wished it had happened to the unlucky driver's team-mate......

In all seriousness, I agree this is definitely a factor, IMO.

this is why I love 24 hour races.

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by Scooter185

this is why I love 24 hour races.

I suppose it's why it's called 'Endurance' racing.

[Born Racer]

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

Regarding your sig BR; I would suggest that is when the bull starts.

I think quite a few will be happy if those Bulls don't start in Melbourne.

[formerf1champ]

Originally Posted by migliacars

As a child watching F1 with my old man from about 1990 when I was nine up to around 2001. Watching Johnny Herbert in the lotus, boy was I excited back then. But then in around 2002 I got involved in to club Motorsport and drifted away from it as most weekends were taken up. Started watching F1 again in about 2009 but its just not the same any more. Still its rare I miss a race but most of the time I find it an anti climax. As I do with most single make championships.
I use to enjoy the continuous engine blow ups and cars retiring left right and centre, as that is Motor sport, highly stressed engines on there limits.

So, you share some similarities with me, same age and started watching at a similar time. I think the problem is how the F1/motorsport industry has evolved and who they are trying to please. Personally, I think the last real season of F1 was 1993. There were many processional races previous to 94. But then, F1 tries to counter the growing popularity of Indycar, then more rubbish rules in 98, more and more til now. Fans whinge a lot nowadays, everything has to be Arnoux/Villeneuve for all positions throughout the race.

If F1 was a true motorsport series, to counter the reliability and other strengths of current GP cars, the FIA need to take some specific actions, without compromising itself. 1) Taking off the wings. They don't need them anymore, the fact drs is used nowadays means wings are unnecessary. 2) Add 100-200kms to the races. 300kms is clearly too easy for modern GP cars, 1-200 more is a bigger challenge. Can you imagine how many "fans" would cause an uproar, if F1 did what I think they should do?

F1 was always going to evolve, I think the problem is that how it's evolved.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by formerf1champ

So, you share some similarities with me, same age and started watching at a similar time. I think the problem is how the F1/motorsport industry has evolved and who they are trying to please. Personally, I think the last real season of F1 was 1993. There were many processional races previous to 94. But then, F1 tries to counter the growing popularity of Indycar, then more rubbish rules in 98, more and more til now. Fans whinge a lot nowadays, everything has to be Arnoux/Villeneuve for all positions throughout the race.

If F1 was a true motorsport series, to counter the reliability and other strengths of current GP cars, the FIA need to take some specific actions, without compromising itself. 1) Taking off the wings. They don't need them anymore, the fact drs is used nowadays means wings are unnecessary. 2) Add 100-200kms to the races. 300kms is clearly too easy for modern GP cars, 1-200 more is a bigger challenge. Can you imagine how many "fans" would cause an uproar, if F1 did what I think they should do?

F1 was always going to evolve, I think the problem is that how it's evolved.

Drop the rev limits.

[Andrew2001]

I see everyone's points. The thing is though, time moves on. Technology changes. It seems to me alot of people are having trouble moving with technology instead of staying in the past. I love to admire the past, the music, the cars, the aviation industry (particularly military).
Time moves on though, all industries, are heavily influenced by safety, by over regulation and the self destructing financial system that we have inherited from a small group of evil and corrupt dictators (Morgans, Rockefellars and Rothchilds).
The financial system is crumbling today, as a result of it's own weaknesses and built in time bomb, which is resulting cost cuts, which means reduced and simplified technologies being applied to technical sports like motor racing.

I agree with all the issues raised here, but the problem is technology, and the need for increased safety are at logger heads with one another.

Subtle changes can be made to the regs to increase the closeness of racing and the overtaking n all that, but really, this is Formula 1. Enjoy it!

[Armco Bender]

My De Lorean's stuck in 1976.

[FAS33]

Well after watching the race today, the OP does have a fair point.

[Greem]

I disagree, FAS. The team orders/manipulation/cheating (select one depending on team affiliation, driver favouritism and nationality) that we saw in Malaysia had next to nothing to do with TV and everything to do with ego, arrogance, pragmatism and humilty in roughly equal measure.

[garcon]

Most top level sport is "manufactured for tv" these days - but that doesn't usually make it boring. In fact it usually demands all kinds of "innovations" to make it more exciting for "the average punter". Whatever that means.

[migliacars]

I hope Rosberg does not lose the championship by those few point he should of had.

[FAS33]

Originally Posted by Greem

I disagree, FAS. The team orders/manipulation/cheating (select one depending on team affiliation, driver favouritism and nationality) that we saw in Malaysia had next to nothing to do with TV and everything to do with ego, arrogance, pragmatism and humilty in roughly equal measure.

was kinda refering to the boring part. we want to see a race not a rigged one.

[formerf1champ]

Originally Posted by migliacars

I hope Rosberg does not lose the championship by those few point he should of had.

He won't.

[Casper]

F1 is a casualty of time, the faster the cars go the less time there is for overtaking in the traditional place, the braking zone. Drag racing has suffered for the same thing, a race over 4 seconds, hardly worth watching. NASCAR on the other hand has limited the speed and up until this year there was a lot of passing or so it seemed.

I don't see how a one make series as formula one has become and one that travels at such speed becoming any less boring in the future. There are two choices, make the cars more marginal in some aspects that require driver management or slow them down. I have always thought of F1 as epitome in innovative engineering where anything should go but that has been removed from the equation. I have also hated all the aero that is part of that innovation as the cars don't move around and overtaking is next to impossible.

It's a problem isn't it?