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19 Sep 2020, 20:35 (Ref:4004333) | #126 | |
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Monza is a better track, but Silverstone has better history. Shame only 6 rounds are on the calendar but hopefully in '22 it'll be back to 8+.
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22 Sep 2020, 12:39 (Ref:4005576) | #127 | |
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Since Rebellion isn’t showing up to Bahrain,
Remove the handicaps and let the Toyota’s have a battle royale for the championship |
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22 Sep 2020, 12:50 (Ref:4005583) | #128 | |
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Ha Ha I was thinking the opposite. Success handicap back to LMP2 cars...your option is probably the better one though. Better yet maybe Toyota should withdraw as well. Just leave LMP2 and GTE.
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So it would then be just like an ELMS race
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Probably a better race, to be honest......
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23 Sep 2020, 10:57 (Ref:4005797) | #131 | |
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At the end of the 2020 season Gérard Neveu will step down as CEO of LMEM (Le Mans Endurance Management) in order to pursue new challenges in his professional career.
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23 Sep 2020, 11:51 (Ref:4005815) | #132 | |
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Got to be honest, I see that as a good thing. The WEC has been a chaotic mess of bad decisions since 2016. It's time for a rethink.
Going to say this right now - Bart Hayden should replace Neveu. Then you'd get a man who'd look after the sport, rather than trying to make a quick buck off of manufacturers. |
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And he has recently become available as well
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24 Sep 2020, 02:55 (Ref:4005954) | #135 | |
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You have to pander to manufacturers if you want the exposure. LeMans will always be a huge race, but its been better in the past. Wanting big names brings in big viewers. Not to say Rebellion and the like don't have their share of fans, but they need to do their best to get a Ferrari, a Lamborghini, an insert fantasy name here... Not the WEC's fault VAG cheated on diesel emissions and the side effects are no lmp1s from them. They needed a plan b and hypercar is that plan. I don't think it's as exciting as lmp1s but it's what we got.
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24 Sep 2020, 06:41 (Ref:4005984) | #136 | |
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It's also not WECs fault that Nissan, Aston Martin and Ginetta were jokes and Peugeot suffered financial losses. We lost more teams to outside factors than we did to the VAG problems. However it IS WECs fault that we lost all the privateers from LMP1. It was their job to build a sustainable ruleset for them, and they failed - concentrating on trying to get manufacturers in, regardless of the damage it did to the privateers. The end result was no manufactures (because manufacturer rule sets are expensive) and no privateers.
When you build your entire series around the idea that it has to have manufacturers to survive then when they leave, you're screwed. See: Now. Meanwhile if you build rules that are designed to keep privateers in the series, you get manufacturers anyway because, and you said it yourself, Le Mans is a huge race and the costs aren't ridiculous when it's privateer focused. Hypercar feels more like a Ferrari Strategy Plan F than a Plan B, to be blunt. WEC has been randomly flinging crap at the wall in a hope there is a magic fix. Super-seasons, weird performance balancing, changing pit stop regulations, hypercar. It's not like the series has a real plan. The issues WEC have extend far beyond the LMP1 class too. LMP2 has become a 1 make series due to the rule set. GTE-Pro is on its arse, and whilst GTE-Am is healthier, it has to feed off of what GTE-Pro gives it - which is limited chassis makes. So GTE is struggling too. WEC has been mismanaged spectacularly. It's time for someone new. I vote Bart. We'll get someone from inside the ACO who'll do the exact same stuff again of course, but we can but dream. |
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I think private lmp1s had a great opportunity but didn't have the means to make their cars to perform to the level of the factory cars. Thats to be expected though, they don't have the budgets of manufacturers. There was a time when the non-hybrid cars were 800kg, and lighter. They had aero breaks with wings and front winglets allowed at 2000mm vs 1900mm for hybrids. They had bigger fuel tanks, much more powerful engines, much more fuel flow to use etc. You can't just show up with a modified lmp2 or like Bykolles use a chassis that has been used for the better part of a decade and expect to win against the two biggest automakers in the world.
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It isn't about giving privateer teams a balance or advantage. It's about making it a sustainable team to run. 2000-2013 or so that was do-able because you had companies like Lola building cars which could be run. But since the ACO decided to limit chassis manufacturers in LMP2, and since LMP1 became manufacturer focused, there were no longer business cases for Zytek, Dallara, Lola, Oreca etc to build LMP1s so those business streams were closed down (or in some cases, the companies folded completely).
Then you desperately throw some LMP1 privateer rules together when you realise you've made an arse of your series and nobody wants to play anymore and wonder why it doesn't work. This argument also applies to GTE-Am teams who supported the series for decades getting unceremoniously dropped for Le Mans because Ford decided they needed 4 entries. Look after the little guys in your series. Because they are the backbone and make up the majority of your entries. The manufacturers will come and go and be in much smaller numbers. If you build around them then all you're doing is preparing for the next mass exodus. Just ask Mr Ratel why his series are overflowing with cars. Or to be really spectacularly blunt about it: ask the ACO why the 3 classes they're having the most success with are privateer classes. Last edited by Akrapovic; 25 Sep 2020 at 08:20. |
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Shhhh, don't point out the stupidity, they'll ban you. Plus the little guys don't fund their giant spread and required ego stroking.
We've found the exemption to the start with a large fortune line about racing. If you want to make a small fortune in racing, be the managers and require everyone to bow before you. AKA the Bernie plan, sometimes it will be a large fortune. |
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From a business and viability standpoint WEC even now is pretty well above average in terms of overall health of a world championship for sports car racing. The top class is what it is this year but in terms of overall manufacturer involvement and consistent car counts it's head and shoulders above a couple Rothmans Porsches railing everyone and fields dropping well into the teens for some rounds, let alone all of the years with no championship, or an IGTC style manufacturer's championship rather than a series.
I don't think you can put the blame for the vast majority of small motorsport constructors quitting the business solely on the ACO somehow, the Dallara open wheel monopoly had already stretched things past the breaking point. The number of LMPs racing anywhere in the world is barely comparable to one single seater series. |
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26 Sep 2020, 09:26 (Ref:4006337) | #145 | |
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Panis Racing might step up next year and join the WEC with an LMP2
Olivier Panis/Panis Racing : « Se lancer en WEC avec une LMP2 est clairement l’objectif pour 2021 » |
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And WRT is thinking about it too ...
(as a replacement for their DTM activities) https://www.endurance-info.com/fr/wr...lmp2-des-2021/ |
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WRT are a very experienced and successful outfit if they do decide to go on this route i am sure they will be warmly welcomed
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