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It would be great if one could get an answer around here....
So, how many times has she crashed? I keep reading statements like: "crashing every weekend." Does she? Then demonstrate it. I mean, if one can take the time to sort through the pictures of other drivers to find one that is unflattering, certainly one could back up such a contention with facts... Did I not say that road racing and oval racing are two different disciplines? You are the one trying to make one sound "easy." I was noting that you are oversimplifying. My analogy was that just as road racing is not just about hitting an apex, oval racing is not "keeping your right foot to the floor and steering left." I would suggest that if you were talking to a dreamy hunk of masculine racing car driver like Christiano DaMatta, he would tell you that ovals aren't easy. |
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You asked for it
(YTD) Rank 19 Points 81 Behind -413 Starts 6 Finishes 2 Poles 0 Wins 0 Top 5 0 Top 10 0 Winnings $365,555 http://www.indycar.com/stats/driver_...&driver_id=336 Last edited by NAC; 8 Aug 2007 at 11:34. |
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There you ho John. 2 finishes out of 6 starts. She has aslo crashed before races in practice. Nashville, Indianapolis stick in my mind among others.
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To be fair, that list of stats lists everything apart from what John is asking for...
It does not breakdown the DNFs, which is what is required to answer his question. I would do it, but I have not seen all the races. |
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I haven't seen all the races either but it strikes me that she has had 'Handling
Problems" AKA black flag 2 or 3 times. I agree she shouldn't be out there and said that from the beginning. |
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Why do everybody compare Dana and Duno...? Paul had bad results cause he was driving at Hemelgarn racing. Kite, Chesson did not have great results too while driving in this team. He did not make a mistake in the contact with Carpenter. His right-front suspension broke when he hit a debris of Carpenter's car. His speed was the same as many driver on track in the same time. Please respect him. He finished 2nd in the Infiniti Pro series 2004 so for me he has talent. Duno is more than a rookie. She has never drove an IndyCar before. No Pro series too. So for me she had to have at least two season in the ladder serie before going up to IndyCar. But I think she didn't have the choice. It was the sponsor's choice in my opinion. Duno is not made to race this cars... Hope you will understand my view point. Thanks OpenWheel Last edited by OpenWheel4ever; 8 Aug 2007 at 18:18. |
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Manning, Hunter-Reay are two very good drivers. Manning has equipment problems at Foyt and is uncompetitive. In a top team I believe he could be a winner. On the road courses which aren't such a problem he has been very impressive. Ryan has done very well in just 2 races, he is a good al rounder. Jeff Simmons did very poor this year. But drivers such as him and Chesson should still have a ride as they are the type of drivers that the IRL was created for. |
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Duno: (hardly anything to even say)
Kansas she ran way off the pace. Had a lot of d/f for the start of the race gradually took it off. Indy Crashed in practice and race The rest she has either crashed or been black flagged for being off the pace. Nashville I remember her crashing during practice so she had to withdraw from the event Quote:
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There gets a point where it does not matter how well a driver seemingly fits a "profile": if they are not performing well enough, then they are not good enough (thus they should not be there). Last edited by Dutton; 8 Aug 2007 at 18:47. |
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Not sure you needed to quote my entire post when it is right there before your response...
So, presumably, you are saying Jeff should leave? This is contrary to your initial post, but the alternative is you are saying he has been poor despite good opportunity, which means he has shown himself not good enough, but should remain because he fits the profile. As you have suggested, the IRL is nothing like grass-roots based, or what have you. It was never going to operate like that. If that was genuinely the plan, well the business plan and such were terrible for that end. More likely is that side of it was PR. |
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Well, luke, you did say he should remain in the earlier post: perhaps it is not what you meant to say, but it is what you said.
In the later one you then said he had been poor despite good opportunity. Presumably this means you think he is wasting a seat? You have said both sides. Which is it you think? I am not criticising you...I do not mind which you think...I just want to know what you are meaning. |
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Well I never said Simmons should leave....But he among others are the drivers that were part of the original plan to be in the Indy Racing League. So I think it is important with the IRL's current direction that it tries to keep its onriginal intended roots still. Like I said Simmons has been poor and has had the opportinity but IMO it's important him among others stay in the series because of their paths etc and try to continue that path. Chesson is another example. American and can race ovals..
But Paul Dana I am sorry along with Milka (back on topic) are just too slow and aren't even good enough and a lot worse than Carpenter, Foyt, Manning etc. Herb and Kite you can also add that list of drivers that IMO are just too slow. |
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********** Back on topic: I essentially agree with luke regarding the Duno-Dana thing (although I think I rate Dana higher than him). You have the likes of Manning and such who, IMO, are perfectly reasonable enough to be in the series. Then you have the likes of Dana who are there, but are not really good enough (although [just] passable). Then you have the Duno category (100% out of their depth, and should never have been there in the first place). Last edited by Dutton; 8 Aug 2007 at 19:51. |
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IRL should make it a rule that entry into IRL being a season (or several races) in the Pro Series. Isn't that meant to be the feeder series?
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Well, I think there have to be some top names for financial viability (those guys are not going to waste years doing IPS). In the event of x-races being necessary, which a big name could conceivably do, then that is to the detriment of the IPS (defeats the point of it, IMO).
Perhaps a rule stating that x-cars of each team (the number varying depending on how many cars a team has) must have a driver who has spent x-time in IPS? Last edited by Dutton; 8 Aug 2007 at 20:03. |
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OK enough of the nit picking, you know what i mean. Unproven drivers have to show their worth.
What's the deal with NASCAR, can a driver go straight to Nextel? Look at Montoya, he did the time. My point being that if Milk & Donuts had of spent time learning the craft of single seaters on the types of tracks that IRL drives and would of had some sort of qualifying to get in would we be sitting here having this discussion? |
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So if Alonso gets really ticked off and decides to go IRL he should have to run in IPS first? Yeah right!
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I wouldn't mind seeing have to go threw it.
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