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I think most of the 2017 technical changes seem quite positive. The only things I think are a mis-step are;
- Making the front wing even wider - Making the front tyres wider The front wings are already too large and hamper cars following each other when close. Forcing teams to make these things smaller and have less elements would help cars follow each other as they would be less reliant on them in the first place. Wider front tyres I am not strictly against, however a 6-7cm increase seems like a lot, I think the wider rears are a good idea, but the fronts? Maybe a 2-3cm but 7cm seems a lot. |
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I quite like the idea because it rewards consistency to a degree, although if you happen to have a bad one at the wrong moment, you're in trouble (not that different to the previous system, though with that it was more about the rght operating
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Was it Silverstone 2004 where the cars were deliberately spinning during qualifying?
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pre 96 the classic method (low fuel quali trim or T-cars) but between 96-2002 they set a maximum of 12 lap within which to set your quali time. 2003 was a low fuel run on friday to set up the running order for a one lap shoot out session on saturday. 2004 the same but they moved both session to the same day. some drivers were indeed spinning out/messing up during the low fuel run in order to to place themselves in a 'better' position for the second session. if memory serves they did this when they thought the weather might change on them as the day progressed so running early in the second session was preferable kind of thing. (was seen as hugely manipulative). 2005 was the year that they had a low run on saturday and race fuel session of sunday and then added the two times together. i believe this only lasted for a handful of races before they switched back to one session on saturday with a race fuel lap. 2006 onwards has been a evolution of the knock out format with various different rules tweaks. all in all the knock out method has been gotten much better as they have worked out tire allotments and fiddled around with fuel level rules. when money wasnt an issue, pre 96 was the best but then money became an issue so they got rid of quali trims and spare cars. after that it was an issue of how much of the TV broadcast actually had cars on the screen. these things increasingly were an issue after the broadcast moved to ITV (97?) so all the changes since then really might stem from that one decision. no system has been universally loved. each with their pros and cons and ultimately being unraveled when the teams became too clever and figured out how to game the system. 2004 was my favorite because we actually got to follow each driver around for a full lap. we had never seen that before and have not since seen it. we used to get some wonderful on boards and got to see how different drivers approached different sections of track. plus the different engine noises. i found it great but im weird personally i dont see the new format being all that different to what we have had over the last several years. just another evolution of what was already in place. Last edited by chillibowl; 24 Feb 2016 at 22:34. |
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Hamilton, "F1 taking the wrong decisions"
http://www.racer.com/f1/item/126448-...rong-decisions We do know what is not good. For those who have been driving 10 to 15 years and have been through all the different rule changes, they know which ones worked and which ones didn't. So I would say it [a lack of consultation] is a bad thing." Go Lewis! |
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And again.
http://www.f1reader.com/#/news/hamil...s-rules-138640 "One such change is upping weight of the cars from 702kg to 722kg while moving to wider tyres also mean more weight." BIGGER, FATTER, UGLIER. |
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The one-lap system was good in the sense that it put a lot of pressure on one lap, but this was arguably pressure that was out of proportion to the importance of qualifying (grid position was even more important at that time due to the increased difficulty of overtaking). The other disadvantage was that there was disparity among the drivers' allotted times to do a lap - sometimes track conditions would worsen, thereby giving drivers unequal chances. I liked being able to watch everyone's hot lap, though.
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But was it not fraught with problems at the time? it was supposed to run seamlessly when it was time for the second car to participate, with one car on an out lap, one on it's hot lap and a third one on it's in-lap. But there were times that this didn't happen, and cars were baulked, and other times when the 3rd car in the sequence failed to make it to the pit exit on time, sometimes by milliseconds.
I freely admit that I hate change, but I think that the current system is working well as long as the FIA ensures that all cars that are able to participate in the relevant session, do so, i.e. no sitting out Q3 to save tyres or mileage on PUs. |
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So good to hear from Lewis. He is proper old school racer and quite rightly wants spectacular. Full kudos to him for speaking out and telling the fans what they want.
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What's wrong with the fastest car always winning? It's not domination that's turning fans off. I'm fairly sure of that.
Next we'll say Usain Bolt has to start his races from sitting in a deck chair to help spice up "the show". Leo Messi is going to make scoring less predictable by wearing an eye patch. Good grief... |
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that element will remain. this format change, and the reason there will be mixed up grids, is because some drivers will make more mistakes then others because the challenge of qualifying has become harder (or more confusing but that may amount to the same thing). this format change, imo, speaks directly to the level of driver challenge, that having the fastest car does not necessarily guarantee you pole. i guess i would describe this as a refinement of the process rather than an attempt to change the nature of racing. |
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