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19 Nov 2015, 05:58 (Ref:3591409) | #1652 | |
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Yes, pretty sure it was Webber who crashed into Cressoni
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19 Nov 2015, 06:30 (Ref:3591412) | #1653 | ||
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Semantics. The point is, as a Webber admirer I'm getting bad flashbacks already.
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19 Nov 2015, 08:48 (Ref:3591431) | #1655 | ||
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Not exactly, it's still unclear to him too, he says clearly in his book that he still doesn't understand what happened and can only partially judge what happened from the impact point. He lost 30 minutes of his memory due to that accident.
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19 Nov 2015, 09:50 (Ref:3591436) | #1656 | ||
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I'll try and find where I read his words which were something along the lines of : " we were hit..."
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19 Nov 2015, 10:14 (Ref:3591440) | #1657 | |
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Looked to me like a 2011 McNish style accident. Where *technically* the GT car did hit the prototype, but the prototype was going into a gap that was potentially about to close. That was just my view on what happened, not that it matters lol.
2014 was a great year. Audi won Le Mans. Toyota won the title. Porsche won a race in the first year back. It was brilliantly balanced. |
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21 Nov 2015, 20:23 (Ref:3592236) | #1658 | ||
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I have the feeling that as crazy and intense as this season was up front, next year will take things to a new level. Porsche will be there, Audi are riding some momentum and will have a newer, more powerful car, and Toyota are eager with new machinery to take the fight back to the VAG teams. And that's just LMP1.
And let's not forget the new deck of cards that the other classes will also have. |
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21 Nov 2015, 21:35 (Ref:3592250) | #1659 | ||
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Any coverage of the Young Driver test tomorrow?
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21 Nov 2015, 21:39 (Ref:3592251) | #1660 | |
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Maybe it's my "negative nature" but my gut feeling is that next year will be a massive let down. Firstly, I'm afraid we won't be able to judge how the absolute development went, ie, how much more they will improve due to R&D and the advanced tech. Then, comparatively, we'll know how each improved but it's not a given that they will be all closely matched(VAG cars and Toyota, that is. Imho, Nissan will be a complete non-entity/laughing stock once again, despite their interesting concept)
ACO/FIA are surely making all their efforts to cripple the magnificence of the current LMP1-H |
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21 Nov 2015, 22:03 (Ref:3592257) | #1661 | ||
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I just wouldn't bother if I were you.
The speed of those cars are limited by the rules this year. Next year will be the same, like these posts. They'll just be battling to get closest to the limit, even if it is a slightly different limit. In some ways it is artificial, as it always has been. |
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“Porsche won the final round in Brazil, but I wasn’t part of that because I had a big accident. We had a good 20-sec lead, and then after four hours we had a problem with the recovery system and started to lose power. When that was sorted we began to climb back through the field. I’d got it up to sixth when a GT Ferrari I was lapping touched my right rear and tipped me straight into the barriers." - Mark Webber http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/ar...ch-mark-webber |
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23 Nov 2015, 14:39 (Ref:3592702) | #1664 | |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2583mCqksrU
This is a video from the #17 Porsche in Fuji during qually. This is the only pole lap we get to see this season i think. Webber's lap was not perfect he made a big mistake in turn 1, and had traffic on the last corner. Things to note are that the high DF Porsche is definitely cornering faster than the current F1 cars (100R is flatout), and also the amount of speed it carries when it boost at the start of the lap. |
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23 Nov 2015, 15:32 (Ref:3592704) | #1665 | |
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that's a deggis capture
Something that WEC should have already done is, as FOM has been doing for some years now, show the full pole lap onboard with the telemetry graphics. Pretty amateurish for a world championship not to have that in the current days. |
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23 Nov 2015, 16:07 (Ref:3592712) | #1666 | |
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Whoops... looks like I was wrong. Didn't read much about the accident after the race.
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23 Nov 2015, 22:00 (Ref:3592789) | #1667 | |
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I referenced to this earlier already, but if there was something the champ did better this year, was incorporating more support races to try to standout events bit more (well, most of the places, Spa especially is still uber hollow of what it used to be support wise).
Silverstone ELMS F3 Europe Spa Porsche Cup Benelux Porsche Cup GB Le Mans 49-68 LM Legends Aston Martin Festival Ring Nurburgring Legends Porsche Cup SS COTA USCC CTSCC Lamborghini ST Porsche Cup IMSA Fuji ASLMS Audi R8 Cup Shanghai Audi R8 Cup Porsche Cup Asia FASC SGT Bahrain GP2 GP3 MRF Porsche Cup Ch And though next year there are some questionable moves in place again (lLM Legends axed, ASLMS all solo again etc) the ELMS has gotten makeover too with the Renaults and MGT3CUP, instead of all alone. Last edited by Deleted; 23 Nov 2015 at 22:12. |
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Can't read that site, but yeah I mentioned that on Mitch's facebook and he said Montoya did a quali run whereas he didn't. Kind of puts things into more perspective as I was quite surprised to see lap times showing Juan 2s faster than Mitch. In the same car, I don't think Juan would be quicker.
If you do a search there's a full rundown of every lap for every driver, and Mitch was better over the race simulation. Especially the last 1/3, Montoya had a bit more dropoff than Mitch, and ultimately his best lap was a couple tenths down on Mitch's. He then pitted and got in that 1 fast lap time. Mitch pitted near the end too, but came back out still doing race sim lap times, so must have not being in quali spec. Stanaway did a good job, I think 0.6s off the full time drivers? It would interesting to see him in an Audi in 2016! |
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JPM was very clear on Sunday that there was no deal in place for further testing, let alone racing with Porsche. "We haven't even spoken about Le Mans"
It was great to see him there and to talk but the reality is that this has been a highly effective bit of PR to this point, including the late equally sim, low tanks and new rubber - It did what it was meant to do - give Porsche all of the headlines on the day - nothing wrong whatsoever with that but its a long way short of seeing Montoya in a race in the 919. |
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24 Nov 2015, 11:10 (Ref:3592969) | #1671 | |
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Some calculations... about relative improvements from last year. Lap times are the fastest lap of the weekend from each car.
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Audi Porsche Toyota Rebellion Kolles Silverstone 2014 1.42,447 1.42,593 1.42,509 1.43,725(Lola) 2015 1.40,180 1.39,534 1.40,361 1.49,697 -2,2% -3,0% -2,1% Spa 2014 2.00,738 1.59,887 2.00,638 2.08,928(R-One) 2015 1.55,114 1.54,755 1.57,397 2.06,405 -4,7% -4,3% -2,7% Le Mans 2014 3.22,567 3.22,146 3.21,789 3.28,466 2015 3.17,475 3.16,887 3.20,896 3.26,594 3.33,560 -2,5% -2,6% -0,4% -0,9% COTA 2014 1.49,480 1.49,567 1.48,993 1.53,269 1.59,547 2015 1.47,007 1.46,018 1.48,465 1.53,115 1.54,669 -2,3% -3,2% -0,5% -0,1% -4,1% Fuji 2014 1.27,605 1.26,762 1.26,473 1.30,403 1.33,780 2015 1.22,909 1.22,639 1.24,760 1.28,111 1.29,916 -5,4% -4,8% -2,0% -2,5% -4,1% Shanghai 2014 1.48,620 1.47,036 1.47,847 1.50,797 1.56,079 2015 1.43,776 1.42,621 1.45,410 1.49,156 1.51,707 -4,5% -4,1% -2,3% -1,5% -3,8% Bahrain 2014 1.44,792 1.41,897 1.42,500 1.46,186 1.50,143 2015 1.40,648 1.39,670 1.42,021 1.45,932 1.47,863 -4,0% -2,2% -0,5% -0,2% -2,1% Average -3,7% -3,5% -1,5% -1,0% -3,5% |
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Interesting stuff but the fairer comparison would be to compare fastest race laps only rather than bundling Qually laps in. Either way the pace of development has been astounding
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FASTEST RACE LAP Audi Porsche Toyota Rebellion Kolles Silverstone 2014 1.44,217 1.45,245 1.44,326 1.47,120(Lola) 2015 1.40,836 1.42,012 1.42,209 1.53,195 -3,2% -3,1% -2,0% Spa 2014 2.02,600 2.01,898 2.01,327 2.08,928(R-One) 2015 1.57,996 1.57,972 1.59,528 2.09,137 -3,8% -3,2% -1,5% Le Mans 2014 3.22,567 3.24,899 3.23,112 3.28,466 2015 3.17,475 3.18,186 3.20,896 3.26,594 3.33,560 -2,5% -3,3% -1,1% -0,9% COTA 2014 1.50,782 1.51,376 1.50,390 1.53,733 1.59,547 2015 1.47,540 1.47,412 1.49,455 1.54,036 1.55,560 -2,9% -3,6% -0,8% +0,3% -3,3% Fuji 2014 1.28,609 1.27,759 1.27,815 1.31,658 1.33,780 2015 1.25,621 1.26,022 1.27,512 1.31,985 1.33,033 -3,4% -2,0% -0,3% +0,4% -0,8% Shanghai 2014 1.49,602 1.49,356 1.48,694 1.52,698 1.56,137 2015 1.46,685 1.47,369 1.48,685 1.54,213 1.56,892 -2,7% -1,8% -0,0% +1,3% +0,7% Bahrain 2014 1.46,126 1.46,157 1.45,989 1.49,164 2015 1.42,440 1.41,893 1.44,314 1.48,365 1.49,710 -3,5% -4,0% -1,6% -0,7% Average -3,1% -3,0% -1,0% +0,1% -1,1% |
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Yes the data is interesting.
Now here, same old in-COTA-we-trust-and-everything-else-is-impossible speech we've heard million times before and is given on regular intervals, but the bit about losing public from Sebring/PLM times yet counter argumenting that by saying that the facilities are now great and drivers love the circuit (guess they didn't those other two...?) is funny http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/w...ancial-crisis/ |
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Motorsport.com have released their top ten LMP1 drivers.
http://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/t...ivers-of-2015/ No Toyota or Nissan drivers let alone Rebellion or By Kolles drivers included. Although how could you rate the Nissan drivers. So something to argue over in the off season. |
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