GT3 Manufacturers... - Page 7

Tzyghan · 7 Dec 2012, 13:52 (Ref:3176186)

Hey, don't forget the Bentley's Continental GT3 project - it also comes next year. And the other "specific" ones: Toyota GT86 (as US Scion

), Hyundai is thinking about GT300 or GT3... Also SRT wants to see Viper not only in GTE, but also as a GT3 car. From more possible comes: Ginetta G55 GT3 and VDS 001 (comes in Dubai as a SP2 class, but Belgian want to see it in GT3 and Le Mans). Who knows, what tomorrow will bring

pablocomics · 7 Dec 2012, 14:21 (Ref:3176205)

Has The Ginetta G55 the FIA homologation or its just avaliable for national class?

Tzyghan · 7 Dec 2012, 14:32 (Ref:3176208)

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Originally Posted by pablocomics

Has The Ginetta G55 the FIA homologation or its just avaliable for national class?

As I know, there are 8 cars built, possible to start in every GT3 competition. 2 of them will come to British GT. Funny - engine is a Nissan 4.4L V8

GT3.14 · 7 Dec 2012, 15:08 (Ref:3176218)

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Originally Posted by pablocomics

Has The Ginetta G55 the FIA homologation or its just avaliable for national class?

Just national class at the moment.

Koenigsegg · 7 Dec 2012, 15:10 (Ref:3176219)

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Originally Posted by urdragon

Rumor: Audi Planning to Send Off Current TT with GT3 Model Via GTSpirit.

http://www.gtspirit.com/2012/12/07/r...ith-gt3-model/

Sound like a road car called GT3. Not a GT3 race car.

urdragon · 7 Dec 2012, 15:27 (Ref:3176223)

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Originally Posted by Koenigsegg

Sound like a road car called GT3. Not a GT3 race car.

Yeah, noticed that didn't know how to edit, cause no delete option even during edit time.., Audi tends to use stupid names, like calling etron to all full electric cars and then calling their Le mans hybrid Etron... Like if there didn't exist one trillion of names to have to use the GT3 tag that even exists at their brand in the R8 LMS. No Safety cage or Spoiler at the text, Sorry.

PS: Maybe a TT GT4 would have been cool instead!.

Tzyghan · 7 Dec 2012, 15:27 (Ref:3176224)

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Originally Posted by Koenigsegg

Sound like a road car called GT3. Not a GT3 race car.

Road car called "GT3 Edition". I don't believe, that Audi could change R8 for TT in GT3 category...

Koenigsegg · 7 Dec 2012, 16:09 (Ref:3176237)

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Originally Posted by Tzyghan

Road car called "GT3 Edition". I don't believe, that Audi could change R8 for TT in GT3 category...

I would only believe that if R8 steps up to GTE. But even then it's unlikely. They could just do like Ferrari, Aston Martin, BMW and Porsche, using the same models in both classes.

Tzyghan · 7 Dec 2012, 16:26 (Ref:3176248)

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Originally Posted by Koenigsegg

I would only believe that if R8 steps up to GTE. But even then it's unlikely. They could just do like Ferrari, Aston Martin, BMW and Porsche, using the same models in both classes.

Money, money, money... And a spirit of sport, where R8 is a little bit more sports-car than TT...

Rodger Davies · 7 Dec 2012, 18:18 (Ref:3176277)

[devilsadvocate] But the TT competes with the Z4 in the showroom, does it not? Surely if the BMW can go racing in GT3, so could the Audi.... [/devilsadvocate]

Racenut · 7 Dec 2012, 23:05 (Ref:3176342)

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Originally Posted by pablocomics

Has The Ginetta G55 the FIA homologation or its just avaliable for national class?

They are only national at present because the G55 is not a road car so cant get GT3 FIA homologation. They can get around this if they build enough to homologate in GT2 first.

hondafan37 · 8 Dec 2012, 02:57 (Ref:3176412)

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Originally Posted by urdragon

Rumor: Audi Planning to Send Off Current TT with GT3 Model Via GTSpirit.

http://www.gtspirit.com/2012/12/07/r...ith-gt3-model/

The Audi TT RS of VLN could serve as the basis of a TT GT3.
http://www.quattroworld.com/034motor...ar/#more-19399
http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...ocus-5480.html

This car of a lower grade than the GT3 or GTE, scored an overall victory in a 6 hours race with rain conditions in VLN beating all of GT3 and GTE.

http://www.vln.de/newsausgabe.gb.php?id=2741

One question: Should be all GT3 rear wheel drive? or the rules allow another traction

MitchZ06 · 8 Dec 2012, 03:24 (Ref:3176413)

Only RWD in GT3.

Racenut · 8 Dec 2012, 03:30 (Ref:3176414)

Sorry Mitch nothing in the regs for GT3 says they must be RWD.

MitchZ06 · 8 Dec 2012, 03:32 (Ref:3176415)

So why did Audi go to RWD with the R8 then?

Racenut · 8 Dec 2012, 04:58 (Ref:3176420)

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Originally Posted by MitchZ06

So why did Audi go to RWD with the R8 then?

Because regs do not allow 4WD. Must be 2WD but doesnt say which end.

MitchZ06 · 8 Dec 2012, 05:18 (Ref:3176421)

Must be an advantage then to go RWD over FWD then by the fact that no-one uses FWD or has considered FWD.

FstrthnU · 8 Dec 2012, 06:15 (Ref:3176427)

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Originally Posted by MitchZ06

Must be an advantage then to go RWD over FWD then by the fact that no-one uses FWD or has considered FWD.

It's the same reason almost all 2WD sports cars use RWD, the accelerating wheels in RWD cars are separate from the turning wheels which mitigates understeer when accelerating out of corners. If the front wheels have to both turn and accelerate, the front tires reach their grip limits faster and cause understeer.

HOWEVER, as that Audi TT win showed FWD can have a major traction advantage in the rain. Also, interestingly, WTCC driver Charles Ng says that the FWD touring cars can accelerate out of corners faster than his RWD BMW 3-series (though he can brake later and have higher entry speed). http://www.speedhunters.com/2012/11/...-charles-ng-2/

HORNDAWG · 8 Dec 2012, 06:18 (Ref:3176428)

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Originally Posted by MitchZ06

Must be an advantage then to go RWD over FWD then by the fact that no-one uses FWD or has considered FWD.

Yes, there is.

L.P.

MitchZ06 · 8 Dec 2012, 06:21 (Ref:3176431)

Sorry, I was pretty much stating the obvious (I'm no simpleton trust me) but yes, even if it's allowed no-one in their right mind in GT3 would race a FWD car.

Tzyghan · 8 Dec 2012, 10:19 (Ref:3176475)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Yes, there is.

600 hp on front? Show me that guy

Pandamasque · 8 Dec 2012, 18:51 (Ref:3176604)

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Originally Posted by MitchZ06

Sorry, I was pretty much stating the obvious (I'm no simpleton trust me) but yes, even if it's allowed no-one in their right mind in GT3 would race a FWD car.

Even Panoz didn't do (or back) something like that. And that says something!

Racenut · 9 Dec 2012, 00:05 (Ref:3176687)

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Originally Posted by Tzyghan

600 hp on front? Show me that guy

Contrary to current trends you dont need big horsepower in GT3. The balance of performance is about power to weight ratio. Given the high speed flowing nature of many european tracks it would be possible to build a 400hp FWD that would be competitive.

As an example: A Volvo C70 with carbon hard top (ala Z4) fitted with a turbo 2.5 litre driving the front wheels could be a competitive package if done right.

MitchZ06 · 9 Dec 2012, 00:28 (Ref:3176689)

Meanwhile a RWD Volvo of the same power would be better on its front tyres...

godlameroso · 9 Dec 2012, 06:50 (Ref:3176733)

Actually....FWD does have an advantage over rear wheel drive, particularly on tight downhill roads. It's not necessarily faster, but in this instance gravity is helping the drive train do it's thing for FWD. That said no one drives only downhill, and RWD definitely has more potential than FWD

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