V8Supercar - Car Of The Future (Merged x4)

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by peckstar

sure 2003 2004 2005

well they started low budget

sometimes a good driver can come together with a good team and create something great

LOL @ SBR being a low budget team when they wont their championships.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Leading teams and drivers are successful because they have the biggest budgets and they spend more.......tell when was the last time that a low budget team won the championship?......never.

Seton - Ford Credit?

Though he would have been stuffed if he had Yokohama tyres instead of top-spec Bridgestone support worth big $$$.............

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Would Davo and Whincup be fighting for the championship if they weren't in the best funded teams?

Obviously not, as we have seen Davo, Whincup, Lowndes and Tander all finish outside the championship top 10, sometimes well outside. Maybe others might be 0.1s faster under certain conditions, but these guys have proven to be fast and consistent over the whole season with good development feedback so deserve their places of course.

Exhibit B: FPR - big budget - limited results?

[racer69]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Yes, 888 and HRT are the best......but are they the best funded because they are the best? Or are they the best because they are the best funded? And what of the drivers? Would Davo and Whincup be fighting for the championship if they weren't in the best funded teams?

Its all relative, would Schumacher have won any titles in a Minardi? Would Jimmie Johnson have won 4-straight Sprint Cups in a Wood Brothers entry? Would Ambrose have won his titles in a Larkham car?

$$ are what make it happen 90% of the time, the car of the future won't change this

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

LOL @ SBR being a low budget team when they wont their championships.

peckstar clearly stated he was referring to the fact SBR started out with less of a budget (circa-1998)

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by racer69

Its all relative, would Schumacher have won any titles in a Minardi? Would Jimmie Johnson have won 4-straight Sprint Cups in a Wood Brothers entry? Would Ambrose have won his titles in a Larkham car?

$$ are what make it happen 90% of the time, the car of the future won't change this

OK, thanks for considering my point of view and for the debate.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by racer69

peckstar clearly stated he was referring to the fact SBR started out with less of a budget (circa-1998)

But that wasn't the question.......So the fact remains, there isn't a low budget team who's won the championship.

[peckstar]

well it depends how you define low budget, but there were about 6 teams that had bigger budgets than SBR in 2003, so they were really only a mid pack by budget team

[Chris - Melb]

It is interesting that Hyundai may produce their Tau V8 in 5 L form.

Suitable for V8 Supercar?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Tau_engine

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Chris - Melb

It is interesting that Hyundai may produce their Tau V8 in 5 L form.

Suitable for V8 Supercar?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Tau_engine

DOHC, 4 Valves Per Cylinder, CVVT Variable Valve Timing....

Um, no...

[david5]

Originally Posted by Chris - Melb

It is interesting that Hyundai may produce their Tau V8 in 5 L form.

Suitable for V8 Supercar?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Tau_engine

Nothing to stop them dumbing down for V8SC though.

[Green Hornet]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

DOHC, 4 Valves Per Cylinder, CVVT Variable Valve Timing....

Um, no...

So you know for sure Car of the Future is sticking with current powerplants? Where is that written?

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Green Hornet

So you know for sure Car of the Future is sticking with current powerplants? Where is that written?

Current VESA Operations Manual confirms the current powerplants, and makes no reference to any other...

Do Ford & Chevrolet actually make a DOHC, VVTi/CVVT/VTEC, 4 Valve 5 Litre V8 Engine in production?

[rik]

Is the real answer that it's time to have a spec engine???

[ForumNick]

Is that a:

special or specific or speculative or specification or spectical engine?

[Denosaur]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Current VESA Operations Manual confirms the current powerplants, and makes no reference to any other...

Do Ford & Chevrolet actually make a DOHC, VVTi/CVVT/VTEC, 4 Valve 5 Litre V8 Engine in production?

Looked under the bonnet of XR8 or current Mustang?? The XR8 has the Lincoln truck block with the Mustang 4V heads. Mustang has it's own block which makes it 4.6L. New Mustang engine in the works, which is said to be making it's way into the next XR8/GT Falcon's.

Item's such as variable timing can be removed, depend on how there built into or bolted onto the engine.

Chances are that they might go down NASCAR path, where Toyota basically have a copy of the Chevy R07 engine. Nothing to stop any other manufacturer doing the same.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by rik

Is the real answer that it's time to have a spec engine???

Some production engines are putting out enough HP to be used. The 5.4L Ford GT and Mustang GT500 engine could be an example and there is no shortage of Chev powerplants. It would open things up to other manufacturers as well. They could be paritised with air restrictors similar to the V8 utes.

[Juarez Jed]

or in the case of the possible entry of Kia and Hyundai, massive blowers rather than restrictors

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Juarez Jed

or in the case of the possible entry of Kia and Hyundai, massive blowers rather than restrictors

Well Hyundai already has a rear wheel drive V8 car, and Kia will be bringing one out as well, both having a 280kw 4.6l V8.

The Hyundai version is definitely coming to Australia and is seen as a Lexus rival overseas.

Hyundai is a car company going places, its not out of the question they'd race V8s, although I'm not really sure how likely it is.

[NaBUru38]

I seriously doubt that a Hyundai will make it to the V8SA. Now, Kia does have sporty sedans.

[Juarez Jed]

I was only s**t stirring fellas.

Hyundai have some great cars, and they manufacture them in the States now as well. They will continue to grow.

Never took to the Kia that looked like a cheap copy of the S-type Jag though, but they sold a few of them in America too. I think their future is more in small cars and SUV's.

I don't take the mooted move to a possible Korean V8 round too seriously, their champcar and A1gp rounds never eventuated. I think the Singapore round would be good though, and would give an Asian manufacturer some exposure outside of Australia/ NZ / Emirates.

[William Dale Jr]

Does anyone know what the new control wheels will look like?

[rik]

Originally Posted by William Dale Jr

Does anyone know what the new control wheels will look like?

See here: http://www.teamdynamicsracing.com/pro-race/Pro-mag.htm

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by William Dale Jr

Does anyone know what the new control wheels will look like?

... from the link above...

Presumably they can be painted?

[Matt]

Those are so ugly.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by Matt

Those are so ugly.

2nd'd. Bring back the 5 spokers.