Sportscar Racing and Global Warming

[AU N EGL]

Originally Posted by renkadima

But perhaps you should bear this in mind as you watch:

http://news.independent.co.uk/enviro...cle2355956.ece

Between this artical and the Video. Sounds like the EXperts




DONT KNOW WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING.

[old man]

There is little doubt that cows may create more global warming gas that motor racing, that is simply not the point. Global warming is happening despite efforts to prove otherwise, we really are not sure what is causing it but a fair majority of scientific opinion seems to say that mankind is a contributory factor and governments WILL listen to that.

My whole point is to suggest that in the next few years the sportscar fraternity can avoid being told what to do by beating them to the draw and being seen to develop a less polutant basis for our sport and to be seen to reward those who do it best. That way we should be able to continue to enjoy the racing, technology and comradeship without outside interference

If we don't motorsport will become an unwarranted green battleground

[Bob Riebe]

Originally Posted by old man

There is little doubt that cows may create more global warming gas that motor racing, that is simply not the point. Global warming is happening despite efforts to prove otherwise, we really are not sure what is causing it but a fair majority of scientific opinion seems to say that mankind is a contributory factor and governments WILL listen to that.

My whole point is to suggest that in the next few years the sportscar fraternity can avoid being told what to do by beating them to the draw and being seen to develop a less polutant basis for our sport and to be seen to reward those who do it best. That way we should be able to continue to enjoy the racing, technology and comradeship without outside interference

If we don't motorsport will become an unwarranted green battleground

Then let the battle begin.
You either fight for what you believe is true, or you let them lead you around by the nose, like cattle.
Bob

[old man]

You said that before Bob, it won't be you or me that they ask, IMO to do nothing is not an option

[dj choc ice]

Originally Posted by AU N EGL

Between this artical and the Video. Sounds like the EXperts




DONT KNOW WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING.

by the sounds of it noone has a bleedin clue whats happening, but i do think its just earth going through a cycle, the climate of the planet naturally fluctuates and im more inclined to believe what was said in "global warming swindle".

as the people telling us about global warming are specialist climatologist's and experts in the field of climatology, ofcourse though why does everyone believe some birk like gordon brown, the BBC and other media networks who well, DONT HAVE A CLUE ABOUT THE SCIENCE BEHIND GLOBAL WARMING!!!!

[GTfour]

How funny/sad to see this article from The Independent(A newspaper which is as independent as Cuba is from Russia...) ofcourse their will be a lot of people starting to knitpick this Channel 4 documentary,it is just what they NOT want to hear!
It's a largely political game and the facts(like humans produce less then 1% of all the CO2) are just plainly ignored. "This train has started rolling and it will not be stopped!", I hear all the members of the environmentalists lobby think....
The same,I'm afraid,will possibly happen to blaming racing and sportscars of being highly polluting hellmachines. Even if you throw the facts in like the very small number compared to roadcars.

This whole CO2 thing looks like one great big whichhunt on all manmade things producing it!

[Nordic]

Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Then let the battle begin.
You either fight for what you believe is true, or you let them lead you around by the nose, like cattle.
Bob

I guess the question would be what can we live without, motorsport or milk and food?

As I have said before, the facts matter less every passing day. In the UK we have each party now trying to out do each other by being seen to be the most green as it is a vote winner and you can avoid tricky questions on other, war or crime releated subjects.

Motorsport matters little to the majority but is high profile. It could become the lamb on the alter used by govenment to show how 'serious' the issue is. The clear message then given out is 'look at us, we have taken a hard desision and unless you play ball you will be next'

Speaking as someone, who 10 years ago would never in million years thought smoking would be banned in pubs etc (or indeed in France) I no longer suprised at the amount of control Govenments now want over the population.

[old man]

Originally Posted by GTfour

How funny/sad to see this article from The Independent(A newspaper which is as independent as Cuba is from Russia...) ofcourse their will be a lot of people starting to knitpick this Channel 4 documentary,it is just what they NOT want to hear!
It's a largely political game and the facts(like humans produce less then 1% of all the CO2) are just plainly ignored. "This train has started rolling and it will not be stopped!", I hear all the members of the environmentalists lobby think....
The same,I'm afraid,will possibly happen to blaming racing and sportscars of being highly polluting hellmachines. Even if you throw the facts in like the very small number compared to roadcars.

This whole CO2 thing looks like one great big whichhunt on all manmade things producing it!

You really are twisted in your thinking! Nobody with any reason or logic can accept that our sport is a major offender BUT we can lead the way and be seen to do so. See DSC for the way things are moving, I doubt your less than 1% figure is correct but it is irrelevant, we can lead and not be pushed if we want. EEMS as featured on dsc is here to stay

[old man]

Nordic has also got the message and has said similar things before; let's get our retaliation in first!

[Justin Moran]

Techie's please tell me why running a methanol fuel which, if memory serves, leaves a harmless by product in the form of water cannot be the fuel of choice for motorsport as a whole? I may be barking up the wrong tree but I have a few racing friends who use methanol burning engines in single seaters, so surely with all the technology out there now, it could be viable?

[Bob Riebe]

Originally Posted by C9/89

Techie's please tell me why running a methanol fuel which, if memory serves, leaves a harmless by product in the form of water cannot be the fuel of choice for motorsport as a whole? I may be barking up the wrong tree but I have a few racing friends who use methanol burning engines in single seaters, so surely with all the technology out there now, it could be viable?

AAAAARHHHHHHH.

Search and find a site that gives the result of internal combustion, with various fuels, or, dircectly inhale the result of a car running on alcohol for ten minutes.
The result may not be pleasant.

[AU N EGL]

Originally Posted by C9/89

Techie's please tell me why running a methanol fuel which, if memory serves, leaves a harmless by product in the form of water cannot be the fuel of choice for motorsport as a whole? I may be barking up the wrong tree but I have a few racing friends who use methanol burning engines in single seaters, so surely with all the technology out there now, it could be viable?

Do they win? How is their cars power compared to the normal cars in their class.

[JAG]

There's going to be a backlash very soon.

For too long environmentalist's rantings have been taken as fact, but recently I've noticed journalists and the general public questioning these people.

Very often they come unstuck, especially clueless politicions tryng to justify 'green' taxes.

[chewymonster]

Methanol has Carbon in it. CH4. Definitely not some miracle fuel.

[GTfour]

Originally Posted by old man

You really are twisted in your thinking! Nobody with any reason or logic can accept that our sport is a major offender BUT we can lead the way and be seen to do so. See DSC for the way things are moving, I doubt your less than 1% figure is correct but it is irrelevant, we can lead and not be pushed if we want. EEMS as featured on dsc is here to stay

Erhm,excuse me,just because I don't believe in kissing the evironmentalists #ss#s,doesn't mean I'm a twisted thinker.
Imho I don't think teams like EEMS are gonna make any difference in changing the CO2 maffia's view on autoracing and I have little hopes for this team to be a frontrunner.

Let's face it,people who genuinely think it is even feasable to lower CO2 emmisions by as much as 60%(Britain) are VERY far from reallity.
And I'll be damned if I live by their rules...
Just today,a couple of "scientist" from Bristol university have discovered that if we all breathe a bit less(!!!!!) CO2 levels could drop significantly.
Especially sportspeople are big contributers to global warming....

I don't know about you,but I'm NOT gonna tag along with this kind of nonsense,I'm gonna go AGAINST it.

"Don't touch my racing with all these unfunded lies" is what I'll say to them.

[Spyderman]

Right On!

[old man]

Originally Posted by old man

As we appear to have yet another new scientific report coming out today (February 3rd 2007) saying that we, as humans, are major contributors to global warming should the racing sportscar world be taking action, perhaps drastic action to show that we care about it and are trying to do something positive?

The above was my original question in post #1 and the answer would seem to be a firm NO, not our problem!

The fans that read and contribute to this website either don't believe there is a problem or those that do see a problem are happy to leave it to someone else to solve and want to simply keep driving round racing circuits waiting for those in government to "do something".

Believe me, they will

[Bob Riebe]

Originally Posted by old man

The above was my original question in post #1 and the answer would seem to be a firm NO, not our problem!

The fans that read and contribute to this website either don't believe there is a problem or those that do see a problem are happy to leave it to someone else to solve and want to simply keep driving round racing circuits waiting for those in government to "do something".

Believe me, they will

The stark reality is, unless you eliminate a billion or two people from the face of God's green earth , there are no solutions to any of societies problems, period.

To give away any freedom is far worse than any existing problems, so it is time to draw a line in the sand before the book 1984 belatedly becomes reality.

[Nordic]

Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

The stark reality is, unless you eliminate a billion or two people from the face of God's green earth , there are no solutions to any of societies problems, period.

I do not think the fact that we have little control over the global weather will stop people from thinking they do. Those in power being the worst offenders.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/6460635.stm

Even academics are urging caution over stating the risks. these two have done just that. A more reasoned approach will go alot further than preaching we are all doomed in most peoples mind.

My personal opion has changed over the years, maybe since I had kids as thier future is more important, I used to doubt we had anyaffect on climate, I have shifted my position and now think the polloution caused does have affect, and when combined with the natrual shift in weather pattens is having an affect that is uncertain and less predictable.

Clearly weather patterns have always changed and we live in an uncertain world, but a reduction in co2 and the reduction of use of fosseil fuels will not hurt (the latter would also mean we don't rely on unstable people/states for that).

[kbeech]

I love when I hear "we must act now on climate change". The very nature of the climate IS change. The climate will do what it damn well pleases in spite of what some might arrogantly think.

[Nordic]

Originally Posted by kbeech

I love when I hear "we must act now on climate change". The very nature of the climate IS change. The climate will do what it damn well pleases in spite of what some might arrogantly think.

You speak as if its a living body with a mind of its own.

I am pretty sure it is a combination, a reaction, to many forces that in thier own way then cause another reaction that passes along and soforth. There are so many inter releated factors that if you adjust the balance you can change pattens.

If you add a something like CO2 that has not been released in a balanced way you can change the direction of the natrual evoloution.

[AU N EGL]

Each human lives, what, 72 years on an average. How old is the earth? and those little things called Ice ages and heat cycles ( no not tires ) go for how long.... severl thousand year cycles.

CO2 production has been far higher in the past. Just those darn poltitions and greenie beanies need to speed a little time studing.

[ss_collins]

Global Warming certainly has issues as a thoery but it exists according to some who know far more about these things than I do, but others equally qualified say it doesn't.

My opinion is that we should all try and reduce emissions, and motor racing should be the no.1 transportation science research lab.

Food and consumer item packaging is a far more serious problem.

Am I a greenie beanie? certainly, but one who loves racing!

[davemk7]

ok, i watched the global warming swindle and it was interesting, weather to believe it or not i haven't decided.

Onto the subject of motorsport, is it important that motorsport is doing something about going green, yes. Is it important to shout about it, no.

why? when honda released their new f1 car for 07 did anyone say, well done for trying to help, no. they shouted, look at them they polute more than anyone.

We need to be prepared for the backlash so when it comes we can collectively say **** up we've been green for years.

i can't remember the rest of what i wanted to say atm.

[Fogelhund]

I'm not a "greenie beanie" as some describe here. I don't know if we are experiencing human induced global warming, or if this is a natural cycle. One thing I can say without a doubt, is that we are affecting our environment in a negative way through pollutants. In addition, we must understand that natural resources are somewhat finite, though to what degree is somewhat speculative.

Using Sportscar racing, as a method to push the technological limits on conservation, alternative fuels, and lowering pollutants is a winner in my eyes, no matter what conclusions you draw about Global Warming, or anything else. As Bob Riebe points out, our human population is huge, and a drain on the world. If we can find ways to reduce those effects through Sportscar Racing, I think we should. Of course, some pessimists will point to what a small effect this might have, but many small effects change lead to big overall change, over time.