BTCC Brands Hatch Indy 2013 rounds 1-2-3 - Page 7

kimbo · 1 Apr 2013, 20:09 (Ref:3227710)

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Originally Posted by redshoes

There aren't any performance calculations at this point. This year's boost adjustments don't kick in until after Donington, and I don't believe anything was carried over from last year.

Plato was virtually as quick as the Hondas, and in some cases quicker, during FP1/FP2/Q/R1 when there was no ballast to deal with. It was only during R2/R3 when ballast was applied that Plato's speed trap position dropped.

Just checked on TSL site (to be sure) and after qualifying, where Plato was fastest across the start/finish trap (but not the other one), thereafter he didn't top the speed tables, and as you say, by round 3 he was mid table. I was wrong to single out the Honda's though, various cars / drivers were quicker on occasion.
Whichever way you look at it though, no 'massive speed advantage' for the MG.

Kim

Sodemo · 1 Apr 2013, 21:11 (Ref:3227747)

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Originally Posted by redshoes

There aren't any performance calculations at this point. This year's boost adjustments don't kick in until after Donington, and I don't believe anything was carried over from last year.

Plato was virtually as quick as the Hondas, and in some cases quicker, during FP1/FP2/Q/R1 when there was no ballast to deal with. It was only during R2/R3 when ballast was applied that Plato's speed trap position dropped.

However wasn't there an engine "baseline performance" established last year after the 2011 Honda engine wiped the floor with everything else? Surely they can't be doing the same as 2011 when the Neil Brown Honda unit just wiped the floor with everything else? From what I remember, the Honda unit had to be turned way down in order to achieve "parity"...?

Craner Curves · 1 Apr 2013, 21:32 (Ref:3227752)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

However wasn't there an engine "baseline performance" established last year after the 2011 Honda engine wiped the floor with everything else? Surely they can't be doing the same as 2011 when the Neil Brown Honda unit just wiped the floor with everything else? From what I remember, the Honda unit had to be turned way down in order to achieve "parity"...?

So many questions!

I don't recall seeing anything about boost levels in the bulletin for Brands Hatch that a friend showed me. Perhaps they're all running to a set max level, then the restrictions and increases kick in.

cmk · 1 Apr 2013, 22:04 (Ref:3227768)

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Originally Posted by AndySpeed

... that's because it wasn't. Tordoff competed for the team at the Brands Hatch finale in 2010.

Fair enough, I can't say I remember that! I'm guessing he didn't make much of an impression.

Passo · 1 Apr 2013, 22:07 (Ref:3227769)

Just saw a question on Twitter, but didn't want to answer it without the knowledge:

Why did Shedden fail the ride height test due to accident damage, but Andrew Jordan pass his with a tyre completely off the rim?

I know the answer is fairly obvious, but what's the exact distinction between what's allowed and what's not?

MarkG · 1 Apr 2013, 22:19 (Ref:3227776)

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Originally Posted by Passo

Just saw a question on Twitter, but didn't want to answer it without the knowledge:

Why did Shedden fail the ride height test due to accident damage, but Andrew Jordan pass his with a tyre completely off the rim?

I know the answer is fairly obvious, but what's the exact distinction between what's allowed and what's not?

That's a good question.

Craner Curves · 1 Apr 2013, 22:25 (Ref:3227780)

Fosters Tax.

psq43 · 2 Apr 2013, 04:37 (Ref:3227845)

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Originally Posted by Craner Curves

Fosters Tax.

Speaking of which, is anybody on here wise as to who the Alan Gow parody twitter account actually is?

redshoes · 2 Apr 2013, 07:14 (Ref:3227861)

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Originally Posted by Passo

Just saw a question on Twitter, but didn't want to answer it without the knowledge:

Why did Shedden fail the ride height test due to accident damage, but Andrew Jordan pass his with a tyre completely off the rim?

I know the answer is fairly obvious, but what's the exact distinction between what's allowed and what's not?

In the case of a flat tyre, the team are allowed to replace the damage tyre and re-take the test.

In the case of accident damage it's less clear-cut. Stewards will look at the car and decide if the ride height fail was as a result of damage or not.

Pettersson · 2 Apr 2013, 08:13 (Ref:3227867)

Feel really sorry for Austin! I wish him the best of luck.

I must say that the WSR BMW looks awesome out on track, and I can't wait until they get the car sorted. Turk showed some nice pace in the races.

psq43 · 2 Apr 2013, 08:25 (Ref:3227874)

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Originally Posted by Pettersson

Feel really sorry for Austin! I wish him the best of luck.

I must say that the WSR BMW looks awesome out on track, and I can't wait until they get the car sorted. Turk showed some nice pace in the races.

Indeed. A great lesson in damage limitation, considering multiple trips to the gravel trap combined with Saturdays qualifying smash, yet still scored good points to sit 7th at this early stage.

**FIRE** · 2 Apr 2013, 16:56 (Ref:3228094)

Shedden and Plato are the men for the championship. Hopefully Jordan, Neal and Turkington can join them.

Motorbase invisible. Did they have problems?

simmo151 · 2 Apr 2013, 17:14 (Ref:3228110)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

Shedden and Plato are the men for the championship. Hopefully Jordan, Neal and Turkington can join them.

Motorbase invisible. Did they have problems?

Must have done, can't see any other reason why they would be so off the pace, maybe their cars didnt like the cold :P

Craner Curves · 2 Apr 2013, 17:15 (Ref:3228111)

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Originally Posted by psq43

Indeed. A great lesson in damage limitation, considering multiple trips to the gravel trap combined with Saturdays qualifying smash, yet still scored good points to sit 7th at this early stage.

One of his strengths. Staying cool and maximising the most of a bad situation, as some of his WTCC drives showed when he was biffed about. He had most places gained from his grid slot for all three races on Sunday.

Sodemo · 2 Apr 2013, 17:22 (Ref:3228116)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

Shedden and Plato are the men for the championship. Hopefully Jordan, Neal and Turkington can join them.

Motorbase invisible. Did they have problems?

It seemed as though the WSR, Motorbase and team HARD cars were forever making trips to the pits.

Craner Curves · 2 Apr 2013, 17:32 (Ref:3228124)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

It seemed as though the WSR, Motorbase and team HARD cars were forever making trips to the pits.

To be fair, with the exception of Mat Jackson's car, all the others you've just mentioned were brand new. Still very much a voyage into the unknown at the moment, as testing doesn't always show up problems, if you're lucky enough to get some done that is. Cut them some slack.

psq43 · 2 Apr 2013, 19:35 (Ref:3228198)

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Originally Posted by Craner Curves

One of his strengths. Staying cool and maximising the most of a bad situation, as some of his WTCC drives showed when he was biffed about. He had most places gained from his grid slot for all three races on Sunday.

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Originally Posted by Craner Curves

One of his strengths. Staying cool and maximising the most of a bad situation, as some of his WTCC drives showed when he was biffed about. He had most places gained from his grid slot for all three races on Sunday.

Exactly right. Hes a very very talented pedaller. Was also key to his 09 title in a pressure cooker situation, in fact, the entire season.

Refuse to believe its 11 years since some thinly clothed girls put their name, and thinly clothed frames across the bonnet of his debuting MG in the Oulton garages.

Sorry, slightly distracting, ahem.

Yes, and his cool bring it home approach is why hes such a fan favorite

Andrew Abbott · 2 Apr 2013, 21:28 (Ref:3228244)

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Originally Posted by Craner Curves

One of his strengths. Staying cool and maximising the most of a bad situation, as some of his WTCC drives showed when he was biffed about. He had most places gained from his grid slot for all three races on Sunday.

No he didn't, I'm pretty sure that was Gordon Shedden...

Craner Curves · 2 Apr 2013, 21:36 (Ref:3228248)

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Originally Posted by AndySpeed

No he didn't, I'm pretty sure that was Gordon Shedden...

The BTCC Twitter account would beg to differ with you....

"Dunlop MSA BTCC ‏@DunlopBTCC 7h

@ColinTurkington made up 19 places from his grid positions over the the three races @Brands_Hatch on Sunday - the most of any driver #BTCC"

Andrew Abbott · 2 Apr 2013, 21:52 (Ref:3228252)

Well they're wrong.

Shedden race one (2nd to 19th), race two (19th to 3rd), race three (25th to 2nd).

Turkington race one (27th to 8th), race two (8th to 8th), race three (8th to 9th).

By all accounts I make that a net gain of 22 places for Shedden and 18 for Turkington.

I am more intelligent than 'official' BTCC.

Craner Curves · 2 Apr 2013, 21:56 (Ref:3228254)

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Originally Posted by AndySpeed

I am more intelligent than 'official' BTCC.

Hmm who to believe.......BTCC Media Office or lad who runs a fansite.

psq43 · 2 Apr 2013, 21:57 (Ref:3228255)

TSL shows Shedden starting race 3 in row 13, position 25, but maybe cars between him and 2nd that failed to start or retired are not classed as making up a position.

So you could both be right, and you could both also be wrong.

Either way, both drivers did exceptionally well, which is considerably more important than a forumers ego size Easter extravaganza!

Andrew Abbott · 2 Apr 2013, 22:01 (Ref:3228257)

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Originally Posted by Craner Curves

Hmm who to believe.......BTCC Media Office or lad who runs a fansite.

I thought you'd like that last bit

Andrew Abbott · 2 Apr 2013, 22:06 (Ref:3228258)

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Originally Posted by psq43

TSL shows Shedden starting race 3 in row 13, position 25, but maybe cars between him and 2nd that failed to start or retired are not classed as making up a position.

So you could both be right, and you could both also be wrong.

Either way, both drivers did exceptionally well, which is considerably more important than a forumers ego size Easter extravaganza!

A good point and I shall leave it at that. Both drivers did exceptionally well. True champions.

psq43 · 2 Apr 2013, 22:07 (Ref:3228261)

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Originally Posted by AndySpeed

A good point and I shall leave it at that. Both drivers did exceptionally well. True champions.

Yes. Anymore nonsense and you'll both be separated on the bus till the end of term!

Or banished to "another forum".

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