Team GBR - Page 7

Kiwi3 · 21 Apr 2009, 04:17 (Ref:2446017)

I would also find it very very hard to believe that Sky TV are very important either, they are one TV deal out of many, and it does not make sense that they would have paid very much in the beginning. Seems a very UK centric view of things...

Mak · 24 Apr 2009, 21:21 (Ref:2448877)

GBR driver anounced, so I think I may change my plans for that weekend and head to Silverstone for F3 or maybe even lash out and go to Spa for World Series.

strider · 24 Apr 2009, 22:49 (Ref:2448925)

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Originally Posted by Mak

GBR driver announced, so I think I may change my plans for that weekend and head to Silverstone for F3 or maybe even lash out and go to Spa for World Series.

Off topic, but if you do decide to go to Silverstone, both F3 races are on the Sunday with the FIA GTs in-between.

It seems that even USA isn't too bothered about Brands - story.

Kebab · 25 Apr 2009, 20:03 (Ref:2449454)

I've stopped watching the racing even on TV now - what is the point. The GBR 'management' (more like mismanagement) isn't interested in winning even at its home race.

kerrmanningjarv · 27 Apr 2009, 14:56 (Ref:2450744)

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Originally Posted by Kebab

I've stopped watching the racing even on TV now - what is the point. The GBR 'management' (more like mismanagement) isn't interested in winning even at its home race.

Well you can't be much of a fan of the series then... as soon as your team stops doing well, you stop watching (regardless of the fact that the last 2 weekends were the most exciting we have seen for a long time in my opinion).

GBR aren't as good this year as last, but am I stopping my support of the series? Of course not! There are still many cars and drivers out there that I will cheer on and that I want to do well - for me the series isn't a jingoistic "I support GBR and no-one else" exercise, it is an exciting young series that is trying to make a name for itself that we should support.

Sid The Manager · 27 Apr 2009, 15:00 (Ref:2450750)

And, Autosport finalist and Brands specialist Aaron Steele is being run in the Rookie session.
He could be quicker than Dan first time out..............

Worth watching!

**bella** · 27 Apr 2009, 16:40 (Ref:2450829)

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Originally Posted by kerrmanningjarv

Well you can't be much of a fan of the series then... as soon as your team stops doing well, you stop watching.

but that's exactly the problem a1 and team gbr have created for themselves. by using the nationalistic thing as a main way of getting people interested they leave themselves open to people losing interest when their countries start failing. it's a lot easier to market to people when their country is winning.

i don't know how they market their races in their own countries, tbh.

kerrmanningjarv · 27 Apr 2009, 16:44 (Ref:2450835)

Yes but I don't see why some people choose to support one country only... it's not like football or something where you have only 2 teams on the pitch and you support one or the other. There's 20+ cars out there so you can support several (I, for example, cheer for GBR, Ireland, Portugal, Mexico and a few others because I like the drivers or countries).

Obviously I support GBR most because of my nationality but I don't support them exclusively - I am happy for other teams when they win, and happy when new teams join, as I recognize that for the series to grow they need as manu successful teams as they can have.

Maybe that's just me though.

**bella** · 27 Apr 2009, 17:19 (Ref:2450864)

because it's based and marketed extensively on supporting *your* country! sure, i follow the series but from a uk perspective. i don't obsess over it, but if a british car has a chance of winning i'll go because the atmosphere is that much better and for me, that's important. i can watch the cars go round on telly - i can't get a feel for the event that way.

also the less competitive the drivers the less incentive there is to watch it. i don't want to watch a bunch of uncompetitive muppets tooling around, i like to watch competitive muppets racing each other. the more decent drivers that are replaced with the less competitive ones, the less interesting it becomes.

strider · 27 Apr 2009, 17:24 (Ref:2450868)

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Originally Posted by kerrmanningjarv

Yes but I don't see why some people choose to support one country only... it's not like football or something where you have only 2 teams on the pitch and you support one or the other. There's 20+ cars out there so you can support several (I, for example, cheer for GBR, Ireland, Portugal, Mexico and a few others because I like the drivers or countries).

Obviously I support GBR most because of my nationality but I don't support them exclusively - I am happy for other teams when they win, and happy when new teams join, as I recognize that for the series to grow they need as many successful teams as they can have.

Maybe that's just me though.

I think bella is absolutely right, but yours is a commendable attitude. To some extent I share it, because when I'm watching the racing on TV I do support several other drivers (not nations). Whether that's enough to drag me to Brands is altogether a different matter, though. The atmosphere is going to be nothing like as good as in previous years.

Then again, perhaps we should all go and enjoy the last A1GP race ever. I don't see it surviving beyond the end of this season and the flu epidemic in Mexico must convert that race from being possible into very unlikely.

Kiwi3 · 28 Apr 2009, 03:18 (Ref:2451231)

Personally I am looking forward to seeing A1GP at Surfers Paradise in October! There has obviously been a lot of cost cutting and stretching of cashflow, but I think the continuation of the series will depend on whether Tony Texeira wants to continue or not, and I have not seen any statements to the effect that he hasn't.

I tend to agree with KMJ, the racing at Portimao was awesome and it made little difference to me that NZL didn't get any results. And Jani, Albuqueque, Liuzzi, Carroll and Doornbos are absolutely at a good enough standard to provide an excellent spectacle. I am very interested to see how all the countries get on.

I can understand why some people might not want to attend a race if a very good driver has been replaced with a very average one for the home team, but not even bothering to watch on TV anymore just sounds like being a 'fair weather friend'.

Kebab · 28 Apr 2009, 07:21 (Ref:2451308)

Just for the record I stopped watching after the first round ... it is not a recent event, the bad news about drivers being screwed out of their money and GBR finding people to pay for race time (but not paying their creditors) just ensures I don't switch on again or go to a race.

No matter how good the racing may be, I think it is wrong to support a series or team that conducts itself like this.

Mak · 28 Apr 2009, 07:40 (Ref:2451323)

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Originally Posted by Kiwi3

Personally I am looking forward to seeing A1GP at Surfers Paradise in October! There has obviously been a lot of cost cutting and stretching of cashflow, but I think the continuation of the series will depend on whether Tony Texeira wants to continue or not, and I have not seen any statements to the effect that he hasn't.

I tend to agree with KMJ, the racing at Portimao was awesome and it made little difference to me that NZL didn't get any results. And Jani, Albuqueque, Liuzzi, Carroll and Doornbos are absolutely at a good enough standard to provide an excellent spectacle. I am very interested to see how all the countries get on.

I can understand why some people might not want to attend a race if a very good driver has been replaced with a very average one for the home team, but not even bothering to watch on TV anymore just sounds like being a 'fair weather friend'.

I was to, but think that Brands may be the last race for A1 in its current form!

Kiwi3 · 28 Apr 2009, 09:30 (Ref:2451407)

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Originally Posted by Kebab

Just for the record I stopped watching after the first round ... it is not a recent event, the bad news about drivers being screwed out of their money and GBR finding people to pay for race time (but not paying their creditors) just ensures I don't switch on again or go to a race.

No matter how good the racing may be, I think it is wrong to support a series or team that conducts itself like this.

Based on the same reasons do you also refuse to watch F1 then?

Kebab · 29 Apr 2009, 07:01 (Ref:2451985)

Does that have anything to do with this thread? *If* other racing formulae are just as bad it doesn't make what A1 are doing remotely correct.

If A1 doesn't make it to next year, various companies and people will be very badly burned. I really don't want that to happen, but I simply can't support drivers/suppliers being used and then unpaid if they're deemed 'non-essential'.

In my book its immoral, simple as that.

Kiwi3 · 29 Apr 2009, 08:34 (Ref:2452034)

I am not condoning it, but at times I feel there is sometimes a double standard between the expectations of A1GP and other series.

If companies and drivers getting burned is the issue then why not stop watching F1 when Lotus, Brabham, Larrousse, Forti Corse etc went bust. I don't see the difference.

Kebab · 29 Apr 2009, 12:40 (Ref:2452193)

I think you're trying to compare apples with oranges. F1 teams are independent... the same cannot be said for the majority of A1 teams.

Mystery · 29 Apr 2009, 12:41 (Ref:2452194)

So you'll not be watching Formula 2 then because all of those teams aren't going to be independent either.

Kebab · 29 Apr 2009, 16:16 (Ref:2452287)

Why has this become a thread about what I will/wont watch? I've stated my reasons for not watching A1, it is a personal choice that I think many agree with ... no-one likes to see drivers who have won for GBR be treated like they have been.

Perhaps motorsport in general will never clean up its act if it thinks people will watch regardless ...

Mystery · 30 Apr 2009, 12:10 (Ref:2452835)

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Originally Posted by Kebab

Why has this become a thread about what I will/wont watch? I've stated my reasons for not watching A1, it is a personal choice that I think many agree with ... no-one likes to see drivers who have won for GBR be treated like they have been.

Perhaps motorsport in general will never clean up its act if it thinks people will watch regardless ...

Sorry didn't mean to make it personal, but I am trying to highlight the fact that this happens in all series. Frentzen won races for Williams but did people stop watching the sport (aside from some Germans and immediate family!) as a direct result.

Anthony Davidson should have had a reasonable shot at Formula 1 before now, but he hasn't and probably won't. Does this stop people watching F1. Of course not.

My point is this is not specific to A1 - if treatment of a driver is ANYONE's reason for not watching the series then I'm sorry but I am suggesting that they are disregarding the fact this goes on elsewhere or (more likely in this case) there is a bigger problem with the series in question of which the treatment of drivers is just a small part.

RichardRenes · 2 May 2009, 19:37 (Ref:2454227)

http://www.motorsport-total.com/form..._09050201.html

Interesting... According to Motorsport-total.com, Johnny Herbert is going to play a role in the new and improved team GBR.

Kebab · 2 May 2009, 20:01 (Ref:2454234)

Herbert is friends with Chas Cole - they've done some other stuff together I believe

Thundersports · 2 May 2009, 20:29 (Ref:2454242)

He would be a far better option than Dan Clarke and even at his age.

RichardRenes · 2 May 2009, 21:57 (Ref:2454266)

I er.. don't think the intended role is that of driver, eventhough he would probably do very well.

Notice the sponsoring on the GBR car btw...

Mystery · 5 May 2009, 12:59 (Ref:2455825)

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Originally Posted by RichardRenes

I er.. don't think the intended role is that of driver, eventhough he would probably do very well.

Notice the sponsoring on the GBR car btw...

Yes I spotted that and was wondering what the story was....

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