Chassis History Archive Project - Page 7

**John Turner** · 28 Mar 2006, 16:12 (Ref:1563451)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Another candidate: a very good Lyncar F/Atl chassis history thread.

Now done. Also prepared a trimmed Chevron B42 thread!

**John Turner** · 29 Mar 2006, 17:41 (Ref:1564362)

Now this Chevron B34-B39 thread that Chris started? It intrigues me since half the posts seem to be about B40's and B42s, so apart from splitting threads out on those two, I've had the audacity to split out the B35 posts! I reckon of the original thread, there maybe 2 or 3 posts not covering those three types! I have however left the original thread complete and open on the main forum!

allenbrown · 29 Mar 2006, 17:54 (Ref:1564368)

That's pretty typical of us. It's a good thing we've got you to look after us!

Allen

**John Turner** · 29 Mar 2006, 18:16 (Ref:1564380)

Thanks, Allen; as long as you trust me not screw up!

allenbrown · 4 Apr 2006, 12:15 (Ref:1570049)

Hi John

Can we pull across the Lola T280 thread and the Toleman TG280 / Lola T850 - T860 thread? These last three models do belong together as the T850 and T860 were Lola's production versions of the Toleman.

Thanks

Allen

**John Turner** · 4 Apr 2006, 13:06 (Ref:1570108)

And I thought I had earned a rest!

The Lola 280 thread is massive, of course, and at a first glance probably needs some editing. It also carries posts on T380 & T390 (I'll put these in the appropriate thread if anything new in them) and also T282, T286 etc. Should these be split out? Whatever happens here, for this thread to be a good source of info. and research it needs some worthy to do a summary, and for a layman like me to understand also the differences between the types if you advise that the above models that I have identified should stay in the thread, an explanation of those differences.

Right, off to look at the Toleman thread!

allenbrown · 4 Apr 2006, 13:23 (Ref:1570125)

Hi John

You had earned a rest but...

The T280, T282, T284 (if it existed) and T286 belong together as we never really established the boundaries, if any. Lola records list all on the same page which is good enough for me. There may be a handful of T380 and T390 posts but I'd be surprised if there were many. I'd expect it to be a fairly cohesive thread and need little editing.

I did a summary at http://www.oldracingcars.com/Projects/LolaT280.htm which probably needs a bit of a refresh.

Allen

**John Turner** · 4 Apr 2006, 13:30 (Ref:1570135)

I've moved the Toleman thread across but it does confuse me, since references are made to Ralt RT2s and the fact that Toleman's built cars apparently using the Ralt as a basis. However, as I understand it they also modified Lola T280's to become TG280's and that presumably then Lola took these mods on board to build their T850 and T860 models. The point here is that since I am an interested enthusiast but unlike you guys, not an expert, I use myself as the barometer for other enthusiasts and readers to judge whether it is clear. Basically, if I don't understand it, and on the basis that you don't think I'm a total idiot (I know, I know, it's debatable!), it needs clarification!

allenbrown · 4 Apr 2006, 13:39 (Ref:1570147)

The Toleman TG280 was a development of the customer Ralt RT2 that Toleman had used in 1979. So yes, references to the RT2 are inevitable.

The Lola T280 was a completely unrelated sports car 8 years earlier. The '280' bit is just a concidence - well not a complete coincidence because I noticed it when seaching for the TG280 thread.

Allen

**John Turner** · 4 Apr 2006, 13:54 (Ref:1570159)

OK, thanks, Allen. I should have noted the dates re the T280! So on what basis did Lola take on the construction of the TG280 as their T850 and 860 models? Was it a mutually convenient commercial deal - Toleman didn't have the build capacity and Lola needed to generate additional cashflow?

allenbrown · 4 Apr 2006, 14:08 (Ref:1570171)

Yes, exactly that, a commercial deal that suited both parties. Toleman were off to F1 and didn't need the distraction. Lola hadn't had a decent F2 car for quite a while. As it turned out, they still hadn't.

Allen

**John Turner** · 4 Apr 2006, 14:14 (Ref:1570176)

OK, thanks again, Allen!

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Hi John

You had earned a rest but...

The T280, T282, T284 (if it existed) and T286 belong together as we never really established the boundaries, if any. Lola records list all on the same page which is good enough for me. There may be a handful of T380 and T390 posts but I'd be surprised if there were many. I'd expect it to be a fairly cohesive thread and need little editing.

I did a summary at http://www.oldracingcars.com/Projects/LolaT280.htm which probably needs a bit of a refresh.

Allen

Ooops, missed this one. I'll move it across. I do hope that with all these threads there will eventually be summaries where none existed before and updates, say on an annual basis, at least, if necessary!

Dan Rear · 4 Apr 2006, 14:20 (Ref:1570531)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Yes, exactly that, a commercial deal that suited both parties. Toleman were off to F1 and didn't need the distraction. Lola hadn't had a decent F2 car for quite a while. As it turned out, they still hadn't.

Allen

The way I saw it is similar, but after 1980 there was big interest in customer TG280s for 1981, so it made sense to satisfy this demand. The cars weren't that bad in 1981, they did win a race after all, Stefan J, which most F2 cars never did. They were run by a good team, albeit without the big bucks of the Ralts/Marches/Maurers that year, and with less experienced drivers after all.

**John Turner** · 4 Apr 2006, 14:38 (Ref:1570548)

I've now copied the Lola T280 thread in here, but have removed posts 341-347 as they brought nothing to the history. They are still in the original (locked) thread, if you want to check them out!

**John Turner** · 4 Apr 2006, 15:01 (Ref:1570565)

I've got a few posts sitting in the 'Cutting Room' on the Ralt RT3 and Brabham BT6. If anyone has some good info. on either or both, I'll set up threads on them to be developed.

Oh, and I know I sound like a broken down record but is anyone out there able to start an informative Chevron B6/B8 thread. I'm advised that there were originally 44 of the original B8s so it would be good to identify these and note any 'additions'!

**John Turner** · 16 Apr 2006, 21:49 (Ref:1585375)

I've finally started to do some work on the Chevron B29 thread which seems to have more posts in it about other marques than Chevrons! As you will have noted, I have split out the Chevron B29 posts and set up a separate thread in here; that seemed fairly straight forward. I have also split out posts on the March 705 and 712M; again fairly straightforward.

Now the potentially contentious one which I have just moved here - March 73B - 74B - 75B - 76B - 77B. Very difficult since the posts concerned were so much intertwined with other March models I'm not sure it has worked. I'm trying to create one for 722,732,742, 752, 762 etc but not quite sure how it will pan out. I need your help here; if they don't work, please tell me; I can easily merge them back together or edit them appropriately!

The 'original' B29 thread also has plenty of Modus stuff which will probably augment the existing Modus chassis thread. Also I think some Argo posts.

Steve Wilkinson · 17 Apr 2006, 09:23 (Ref:1585653)

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Turner

Now the potentially contentious one which I have just moved here - March 73B - 74B - 75B - 76B - 77B. Very difficult since the posts concerned were so much intertwined with other March models I'm not sure it has worked. I'm trying to create one for 722,732,742, 752, 762 etc but not quite sure how it will pan out. I need your help here; if they don't work, please tell me; I can easily merge them back together or edit them appropriately!

Possibly try to keep all the posts together for each year's production fo f2 and FAt cars (e.g. 732/73B and 742/74B). There were a lot of cross-over cars that were F2 that raced Atlantic and vice versa.

**John Turner** · 17 Apr 2006, 09:34 (Ref:1585663)

Thanks, Steve. I have just added the 722, 732, 742 etc thread. Have a look at it. I have left in some cross referencing and also bits of F3 (for want of elsewhere to put them) but if no good, I can rework it. Keeping cars to single year's production may well be possible, although I have noted several posts referring to upgrading to later year's specs!

Allen, Bryan, Chris, Ted, Andrew, Dan, et al, any comments?

allenbrown · 17 Apr 2006, 09:50 (Ref:1585676)

The Marches are a nightmare! Chris and Dan have developed a good handle on many of them but it's the toughest subject to organise.

I think the connection between, say, the 73B and the 74B is stronger than between the 742 and the 74B. In other words, a '74B' was more likely to be an earlier 'B' updated than a 742 converted. So I think the way you have them at the moment is probably best.

We may be able to split the 722 out at some later point as it was that year's FB/Atlantic car and also the F2 car. And there were nearly 50 of them!!

Allen

Bryan Miller · 17 Apr 2006, 09:56 (Ref:1585678)

John,
I have been all the way thru the 73B/74B etc. and that doesn't appear to have lost anything in it's ' translation' , as a matter of fact I found it fairly easy to work with.

Off to the F2 cars now.
Bryan.

**John Turner** · 17 Apr 2006, 14:54 (Ref:1585850)

Allen and Bryan, thank you! I await your judgement on the F2 cars, Bryan!

I had thought about splitting the 722 out but decided not to at this stage. However, compared to what I have had to do with the Chevron B29 thread up to now, I would imagin eit will be relatively simple!

**John Turner** · 10 May 2006, 09:21 (Ref:1604915)

I think that the Chevron B34-39 is ready for splitting.There is some pretty good info on a number of the individual type numbers so worth doing. If I get no objections, I'll do that tomorrow. I will fttb, leave the original thread intact however.

Bryan Miller · 11 May 2006, 01:15 (Ref:1605559)

John,
After I posted the other day on the B34-39 thread , I felt it was ready to move.

allenbrown · 11 May 2006, 23:12 (Ref:1606466)

John

Could we move in the Lola T60 thread?

Allen

**John Turner** · 12 May 2006, 10:46 (Ref:1606881)

Now done, Allen! Are you about to give us an update summary?

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