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A Schnitzer M3 would certainly have made life interesting- and I'm sure Andy Rouse might have welcomed it's presence given the potential it had to make Sytner's life more complicated in the same way that the visiting Eggenberger RS500 had taken points away from Andy...
I have to admit Win Percy wouldn't have been the obvious driver I'd have associated with such a venture, given his Nissan contract that season- and I can't recall the last time he drove a BMW before '88... An appearance in the Demon Tweeks car seems more probable- Minshaw aimed pretty high in the calibre of driver he put in the car after he stepped down from the drive himself following the Oulton shunt- a BMW-contracted driver in Ratzenberger, and a 2xBTCC Champ in Hodgetts, and Win Percy would have certainly fitted that trend- Alan certainly didn't seem to be in the business of hiring the car out to club racers looking for a drive at a high-profile meeting... Minshaw's car was ex-Prodrive, rather than Schnitzer, although apparently it was rebuilt after the Oulton shunt, with a new shell from Schnitzer, according to what's been posted in the M3 thread. Might this have caused some confusion in the press over the car's origins- especially if Alan had updated the car during the season using parts from the same source...? Last edited by KA; 1 Feb 2010 at 16:32. |
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Did Minshaw receive any outside support with his ex-Prodrive/Schnitzer shelled and tuned BMW M3?
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The main conflict of interest from Schnitzer getting too closely involved with anyone's BTCC campaign is that as an official BMW factory-backed team, they'd be risking interfering with the BMW GB-backed Prodrive team's championhip hopes....Arguably, Ford's failure to avoid a similar situation (Eggenberger's BTCC visits and Rouse's TT win) contributed to both championships, BTCC and ETCC going BMW's way....
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From what I know, Andy Rouse received support from Ford GB for 1988 and perhaps in 1989 too. Robb Gravett mentioned that his' and Mike Smith's Trakstar team didn't receive any support from Ford by 1989 as they allready supported Andy Rouse.
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This probably explains, if indeed it was the case, why he needed to source bits from Germany direct. The car also became rather less of a pain to Sytner as the saeason drew to a close. I doubt that would have been Roland's fault but perhaps some pressure was asserted on Minshaw from somewhere with the title at stake. The David Sears/Maguire car then became a rather late, and although quick enough, unsuccesssful M3 ally to Rouse's campaign. |
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A nice piece of footage of the wet Oulton Park round that's just been posted on youTube.
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Firstly, we can confirm the race number for the Kevin Eaton MIL/East Midlands Transport Corolla as #69 (seen clearly at 4:12 and 4:19) At the beginning, the Bob Sands RS500 is running slowly, right at the back of the pack, obviously affected already by the gearbox problem that caused retirement after 1 lap In the result we don't have a reason for Pete Hall's retirement after 4 laps- looking at the video, he has a spin right in front of the camera (at 2:27) , pulls off onto the grass (accompanied by James Kaye in the Demon Tweeks Golf). Once they've sorted out avoiding each other on the grass, Kaye pulls back onto the track and resumes pretty quickly, while Hall rejoins the circuit and drives off very slowly hugging the RH side of the track- and doesn't appear again. So did something break causing the original spin, or did he damage the Sierra going off the track? Quote:
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Its nice to see the videos are proving usefull
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Good to hear the sound of the Commodore again - seems such a long time ago. Hey ho!
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Some background on the Tom Bell/Ray MacDowall ECM RS500, from an item in a March 1988 Motoring News issue
Carlisle driver Bell had previously been racing a Chevette HSR in Scottish roadgoing and modified saloon events. With the Chevette sold (the new owner was planning to use it in Thundersaloons), Bell was building an RS500 from a damaged shell and 'whatever I can pick up from here, there and everywhere. I thought I would have finished a long time ago, but I haven't had enough to buy all the bits. I'm running on a very low budget' The intention was to debut the car at Ingliston in April, although May was a more likely prospect, then do a few races in Scotland before possibly trying Thundersaloons, sharing the car with Ray MacDowall. If that went sufficiently well, the Sierra might lose its' roadgoing spec with lightweight panels etc. No mention of the BTCC at all at this stage.... |
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I always thought it was a strange way to go Touring Car racing in what was already quite an expensive and professional era. A real good old privateer effort in spirit with the road registration on it!!
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Yep, I agree with that, plus they used to drive the car to & from the meetings too, not many people have driven a true Group A RS500 on the public roads!
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No I bet not, quite an eye opening experience I would imagine!! I wonder if anyone did any cheeky shakedowns around their local industrial estate though?
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It wasn't totally unusual to see the cars of a certain Leicester based Touring Car team to be tested & shaken down on the M69 motorway on trade plates in the early hours...
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