Michelin Le Mans Cup - Page 7

tux · 16 Jul 2016, 15:07 (Ref:3659061)

The series desperately needs some more entry's, after the first corner clash i count 7 cars left.

Bcarr6 · 19 Jul 2016, 08:30 (Ref:3659543)

Just watching the race, it's funny because the concept of one Am, one Pro makes for some fun racing.

Likewise the diversity of cars is pretty good considering there was only 10 cars running.

I also enjoy the Goodwin/Palmer RLM commentary of course, the format of the races are great. No need for pit stop penalty times, just an hour (roughly) per driver and having to have a Am in each car.

Nice and simple to follow format for people new to racing.

Biggest downfall: car count.

If they can get to 20 cars, this series will be great

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Bcarr6 · 19 Jul 2016, 08:40 (Ref:3659545)

This series and the Blancpain GT sports club both show that Am on Am racing is often very exciting.

The Aston and Porsche battle has been great

I fully don't understand people's hate for Am drivers

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Mike Hedlund · 19 Jul 2016, 16:28 (Ref:3659613)

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Originally Posted by Bcarr6

I fully don't understand people's hate for Am drivers

It's much easier to like Am's in GT3 cars. :-)

-mike

Akrapovic · 19 Jul 2016, 16:54 (Ref:3659618)

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Originally Posted by Mike Hedlund

It's much easier to like Am's in GT3 cars. :-)

-mike

I think Mike hits the nail here. The hate isn't really about Am drivers, it's about 3 or 4 specific am drivers in cars they can't handle. Pew, Brown, Krohn for example. I know they fund cars, but Krohn and Pew are continually causing yellows. Brown may have less accidents but he's often slower than GT cars. At least he can say he funds 2 cars, which helps the grid.

But GTE-Am and GT3 Am drivers tend to be less of an issue.

Bcarr6 · 19 Jul 2016, 18:33 (Ref:3659634)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

I think Mike hits the nail here. The hate isn't really about Am drivers, it's about 3 or 4 specific am drivers in cars they can't handle. Pew, Brown, Krohn for example. I know they fund cars, but Krohn and Pew are continually causing yellows. Brown may have less accidents but he's often slower than GT cars. At least he can say he funds 2 cars, which helps the grid.

But GTE-Am and GT3 Am drivers tend to be less of an issue.

Totally get your point about being class specific. My point is in this context where every car has an Am driver it makes for some fun battles.

I agree Ams in multi class racing can be a pain

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Mike E · 23 Oct 2016, 20:09 (Ref:3682304)

About that scrap with Creventic...

LMP3 to contest GT3LMC in 2017.

www.dailysportscar.com/2016/10/23/150201.html

Bcarr6 · 23 Oct 2016, 21:45 (Ref:3682326)

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Originally Posted by Mike E

About that scrap with Creventic...

LMP3 to contest GT3LMC in 2017.

www.dailysportscar.com/2016/10/23/150201.html

While numbers have been low in GT3LMC this year, I see no reason to have P3 in ELMS and GT3LMC too..

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TheMightyM · 24 Oct 2016, 00:10 (Ref:3682350)

Apparently, LMP3 is so popular that the ACO sees the need to cap the numbers in ELMS and go to a promotion and relegation system with the Le Mans Cup being the lower division for the excess LMP3 teams to race in. OK…

TF110 · 24 Oct 2016, 06:34 (Ref:3682402)

It's cheap. I don't feel it has a place in these series'. But who knows, maybe it helps the ACO sell the GT3 series they have.

Akrapovic · 24 Oct 2016, 07:00 (Ref:3682407)

Promotion and demotion doesn't work in a series like this because budgets change. What if you can afford to run the Michelin Le Mans Cup, and you manage to win, and therefore get promoted to ELMS. But you can't afford to run ELMS (more races and double length!)? Are you allowed to stay in MLMC?

This announcement is clearly why the ACO had a fit about he 24H Series, but I don't think the ACO solution is a good one.

Speed-King · 24 Oct 2016, 08:20 (Ref:3682413)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Promotion and demotion doesn't work in a series like this because budgets change. What if you can afford to run the Michelin Le Mans Cup, and you manage to win, and therefore get promoted to ELMS. But you can't afford to run ELMS (more races and double length!)? Are you allowed to stay in MLMC?

While not a regular occurrence this actually happens in stick and ball sports from time to time, with teams being allowed to stay in the lower division.
The question is then: who will get their spot? Will only the last 4 from ELMS be relegated or will the 6th placed team from MLMC be promoted?

**joeb** · 24 Oct 2016, 12:47 (Ref:3682471)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

While not a regular occurrence this actually happens in stick and ball sports from time to time, with teams being allowed to stay in the lower division.
The question is then: who will get their spot? Will only the last 4 from ELMS be relegated or will the 6th placed team from MLMC be promoted?

On the budget question don't gentlemen drivers tend to find most of these cars? And if so what if the drivers simply don't want to change series. Can't they just find another ride with a different team if available. In other words telling a team where they can and can't race doesn't make a lot of sense when the driver is the one doing the funding why don't they just delegate the driver instead.

Speed-King · 24 Oct 2016, 13:21 (Ref:3682481)

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Originally Posted by joeb

On the budget question don't gentlemen drivers tend to find most of these cars? And if so what if the drivers simply don't want to change series. Can't they just find another ride with a different team if available. In other words telling a team where they can and can't race doesn't make a lot of sense when the driver is the one doing the funding why don't they just delegate the driver instead.

True, but you can easily get around that with a license system a la BTCC or Aussie V8s. Make the drivers "win" the license to compete in ELMS - if he doesn't have one or isn't granted a wildcars by the ACO, then it's no dice.

Coach Ep · 24 Oct 2016, 15:38 (Ref:3682505)

I don't see why teams/car owners cannot do both series - or the Creventic series as well.

If the number of cars is too much for ELMS, let them qualify. Competition will determine who gets to play in the big race and who will be 'demoted' to the support race (if they wish to play there of course). Teams/car owners are perfectly able to choice where they wanna run, sanctioning bodies/series organizers do not need to do that for them. But again, it's the ACO...

NaBUru38 · 4 Feb 2017, 20:53 (Ref:3709650)

Any news about the 2017 entries?

Bcarr6 · 5 Feb 2017, 13:53 (Ref:3710122)

Very little

Optimum Audi, a couple of Ferraris, and a Belgian Aston Martin.

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Racing Harz · 5 Feb 2017, 14:26 (Ref:3710131)

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Originally Posted by Bcarr6

Very little

Optimum Audi, a couple of Ferraris, and a Belgian Aston Martin.

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+ 2 Ligier JS P3 for BE Motorsport and RLR.
+ AmD Tuning Mercedes AMG GT for Keen/Mowle

Mike E · 6 Feb 2017, 12:55 (Ref:3710477)

United Autosports are running in LMP3.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2017/0...cup-entry.html

Mike E · 17 Feb 2017, 10:13 (Ref:3712791)

There will be two support races for the Michelin Le Mans Cup at Le Mans this year. One on the Thursday at 17:30, and the other on the Saturday at 11:30.

Total entry is also increased from 42 to 46 cars. Auto entries for full season LM Cup teams, and preference given to teams running in ELMS, AsLMS, Asian Le Mans Sprint Cup and the Weathertech Sportscar Championship.

http://www.endurance-info.com/en/roa...-with-46-cars/

Bcarr6 · 17 Feb 2017, 11:34 (Ref:3712813)

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Originally Posted by Mike E

There will be two support races for the Michelin Le Mans Cup at Le Mans this year. One on the Thursday at 17:30, and the other on the Saturday at 11:30.

Total entry is also increased from 42 to 46 cars. Auto entries for full season LM Cup teams, and preference given to teams running in ELMS, AsLMS, Asian Le Mans Sprint Cup and the Weathertech Sportscar Championship.

http://www.endurance-info.com/en/roa...-with-46-cars/

What's the race length? Nice to have two races though

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Osella · 17 Feb 2017, 11:50 (Ref:3712814)

55 mins

Mike E · 17 Feb 2017, 11:59 (Ref:3712817)

Both races are 55 minutes with a compulsory pit stop.

The standard race time this year is 2 hours. Reckon they have gone for shorter races here for two reasons:

1) A 2 hour race would be difficult to accommodate on Saturday morning with the big race warm up and the combined Porsche Carrera Cup France/GB also running, and

2) They can do a 55 minute race without refuelling (I think), so the pit arrangements are much simpler.

Bcarr6 · 17 Feb 2017, 13:39 (Ref:3712841)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike E

Both races are 55 minutes with a compulsory pit stop.

The standard race time this year is 2 hours. Reckon they have gone for shorter races here for two reasons:

1) A 2 hour race would be difficult to accommodate on Saturday morning with the big race warm up and the combined Porsche Carrera Cup France/GB also running, and

2) They can do a 55 minute race without refuelling (I think), so the pit arrangements are much simpler.

55 mins is a nice length, and twice the chance for each team to get a podium so will keep people happy.

Nice to see this sprint format style on Le Sarthe, bit of variation before the big deal

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Mike E · 17 Feb 2017, 17:57 (Ref:3712902)

Could a mod remove the 'GT3' from this thread title?
Thank you please.

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