ALMS 2012 rumour entry list . - Page 7

Ultimo · 29 Jan 2012, 07:26 (Ref:3018415)

A solid ~5 cars per class average.

Exceptional.

DeathOrGlory · 29 Jan 2012, 12:14 (Ref:3018500)

Who's Starworks? Isn't that a Grand-Am team?

lms · 29 Jan 2012, 14:07 (Ref:3018522)

hehe, starworks in lmp2, i like that rumor

hopefully next year it will happen

DistortedSmile · 29 Jan 2012, 17:43 (Ref:3018562)

The latin american version of the SPEED channel has their own personnel at Daytona, they just interviewed Giuseppe Risi and he confirmed the team will be in ALMS full time this season, he also seems to think Ian Dawson will enter with Lotus.

FstrthnU · 29 Jan 2012, 22:16 (Ref:3018664)

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Originally Posted by DistortedSmile

The latin american version of the SPEED channel has their own personnel at Daytona, they just interviewed Giuseppe Risi and he confirmed the team will be in ALMS full time this season, he also seems to think Ian Dawson will enter with Lotus.

Well, the Ferrari 458 Grand-Ams stank big at Daytona (Porsches 1-2-3 in GT), so I guess they didn't feel Grand-Am had more to offer than ALMS. Good to see them back!

johntt · 29 Jan 2012, 22:58 (Ref:3018676)

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Originally Posted by FstrthnU

Well, the Ferrari 458 Grand-Ams stank big at Daytona (Porsches 1-2-3 in GT), so I guess they didn't feel Grand-Am had more to offer than ALMS. Good to see them back!

Porsche 911s have been running around Daytona for years so they have reams of data to work with. The Ferraris had none of that.

FstrthnU · 29 Jan 2012, 23:00 (Ref:3018679)

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Originally Posted by johntt

Porsche 911s have been running around Daytona for years so they have reams of data to work with. The Ferraris had none of that.

I guess that's partially what I'm getting at. Risi has at least 1 year of experience running the 458 GTC in ALMS, so that's still more than Grand-Am where they would have to fight hard against the entrenched teams. The Ferraris won't get good till they get more experience, but because of that teams may not want to run them. Thus, only 1 full-season Ferrari vs. the 4 one-off Ferraris at the 24.

rich07 · 30 Jan 2012, 07:09 (Ref:3018745)

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Originally Posted by DistortedSmile

The latin american version of the SPEED channel has their own personnel at Daytona, they just interviewed Giuseppe Risi and he confirmed the team will be in ALMS full time this season, he also seems to think Ian Dawson will enter with Lotus.

Thats great news! Hopefully it'll be two cars although I'll be happy just to see them in ALMS.

I aint doubting Mr Risi, but as for Ian Dawson I'll believe it when I see it.

AGD · 30 Jan 2012, 08:08 (Ref:3018761)

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Originally Posted by rich07

I aint doubting Mr Risi, but as for Ian Dawson I'll believe it when I see it.

Ian Dawson might show up (whether with the Radical LMP2 and/or Lotus Evoras), but the bigger question with Ian Dawson is if the cars will be total rubbish or not. It's probably more of a concern with the Radical than the Lotuses as I guess we can assume a certain amount of quality from the Lotus program. We saw what happened with Ian's Radicals in 2010. They showed up, but I don't even know why they bothered to do so. I know people have said things will be different this time, but that is the point where I'll believe it when I see it!

KA · 30 Jan 2012, 09:28 (Ref:3018791)

On the other hand, in the past he's been involved in some competent programmes that haven't been a total shambles- Ascari and the original Taurus Lola, before he started messing around with biofuels and diesels, were both fairly respectable efforts.

What happens might just depend on whether there's proper funding behind this rumoured Lotus effort, if there's decent support from the factory, and what development work has been done on the Evora over the winter. If he's sticking with the Radicals, then I guess it'll hinge on whether there's any money behind it, and whether he's put a sensible engine in the back this time round.

Time will tell...

Deleted · 30 Jan 2012, 10:10 (Ref:3018815)

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Originally Posted by DistortedSmile

The latin american version of the SPEED channel has their own personnel at Daytona, they just interviewed Giuseppe Risi and he confirmed the team will be in ALMS full time this season

The only logical choice, full-season GA would've been kind of a waste.

I'm anxious to see their drivers now, seeing how awesome their Daytona line-up was.

Fogelhund · 30 Jan 2012, 12:21 (Ref:3018879)

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Originally Posted by FstrthnU

Well, the Ferrari 458 Grand-Ams stank big at Daytona (Porsches 1-2-3 in GT), so I guess they didn't feel Grand-Am had more to offer than ALMS. Good to see them back!

Stank at Daytona? Risi finished 5th, and had a fast lap of just four tenths off the fastest lap for GT. They were on the lead lap late in the race. I'd suggest this was a rather spectacular debut for a brand new car, that hasn't had much sorting out by it's teams.

**joeb** · 30 Jan 2012, 13:10 (Ref:3018903)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

Stank at Daytona? Risi finished 5th, and had a fast lap of just four tenths off the fastest lap for GT. They were on the lead lap late in the race. I'd suggest this was a rather spectacular debut for a brand new car, that hasn't had much sorting out by it's teams.

I thought the one Risi car did quite well at Daytona, but I would be happier to see them compete in the ALMS against the Vettes, Lizards, and Bimmers. I just hope the Lizards and Risi can stay off each others fenders this year.

knighty · 30 Jan 2012, 15:40 (Ref:3018959)

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Originally Posted by AGD

Ian Dawson might show up (whether with the Radical LMP2 and/or Lotus Evoras), but the bigger question with Ian Dawson is if the cars will be total rubbish or not. It's probably more of a concern with the Radical than the Lotuses as I guess we can assume a certain amount of quality from the Lotus program. We saw what happened with Ian's Radicals in 2010. They showed up, but I don't even know why they bothered to do so. I know people have said things will be different this time, but that is the point where I'll believe it when I see it!

oh what a surprise to see Ian being slammed for trying yet again!!!......each to their own.......I just spoke to Ian briefly on e-mail about 20 minuted ago and he and his team are currently installing a new LMP2 engine in the back of the Radical Chassis, its not for me to reveal the new engine supplier, but I can say they are a very reputable bunch indeed and I'm sure it will create lots of interest and be in the mix, I cant imagine the new engine supplier would supply a half job - no way, they really are very reputable.......plan is to be at the Sebring test this weekend for sure with the LMP2 car.

Deleted · 30 Jan 2012, 16:08 (Ref:3018970)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

I'd suggest this was a rather spectacular debut for a brand new car, that hasn't had much sorting out by it's teams.

Maybe so but there's more performance balancing in GA, which is probably one of the main reasons Risi chose ALMS instead

Fogelhund · 30 Jan 2012, 19:42 (Ref:3019050)

..and yet today, Risi claims they can't confirm yet what they will be doing for the balance of the year. As the World Turns.

Deleted · 30 Jan 2012, 19:51 (Ref:3019054)

Instead of being cheeky it would be great if you provided the source of this claim.

Fogelhund · 30 Jan 2012, 20:11 (Ref:3019065)

Cheeky?

It's on their Facebook page.

FWIW, while the performance balancing was a nuisance to Risi, I don't believe it is the major decision maker.

Deleted · 30 Jan 2012, 20:26 (Ref:3019074)

Well besides funding and their personal preference, I think it is one of the deciding factors. If we are to believe this article from early January that is.

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Originally Posted by Giuseppe Risi

" -- I wasn't thrilled at ALMS towards the end [of last year] because I think they had a lot of rule changes. It's like everything that was being done was trying to slow the Ferrari down and help everyone else. It was very evident and clear. Anybody who knows anything about racing could see that was going on. So that was upsetting because we put our best foot forward to come to these races. Then to have things changed and waivers thrown at us, and all the other teams being helped... We never had a waiver. The Ferrari doesn't have one single waiver. When you look at the BMW has something like 18 [waivers] and Corvette has thirty-something [waivers]."

-- GRAND-AM, quite honestly, I think some of the things they say and do are a little petty sometimes. But the format of what this is, with everyone running on the same tires and you have to make the tires work for you... I think is great because it equals everything out. My concern is that you make a car competitive and it's going to be the same for everybody. We just don't want to be somebody waking up one morning and saying, 'We have to do something about these guys.' Because you're going to run us off.”

AGD · 30 Jan 2012, 22:26 (Ref:3019141)

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Originally Posted by knighty

oh what a surprise to see Ian being slammed for trying yet again!!!......each to their own......

I don't think anyone is slamming them for trying, but I for one am a little less than optimistic about the execution based on the success of some recent projects. There's a saying in stick-and-ball sports that "you're as good as your record says you are," and Ian's recent record is pretty dang bad. Hopefully this new proposed P2 program will be much, much better than what happened the last time that P2 Radical ran.

So what is the status of the Lotus Evora program that Ian is/was involved with? We have not heard much about that lately.

**skycafe** · 30 Jan 2012, 22:48 (Ref:3019156)

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Originally Posted by AGD

So what is the status of the Lotus Evora program that Ian is/was involved with? We have not heard much about that lately.

With the rumor that AJR were going to be in GT with something new, I wonder if they will run the Lotus?

AGD · 30 Jan 2012, 22:53 (Ref:3019158)

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Originally Posted by skycafe

With the rumor that AJR were going to be in GT with something new, I wonder if they will run the Lotus?

I was wondering about that too. I suppose that could be the case. I figure that if Job would come back with a Porsche if he did come back, but maybe Lotus could be involved there. There is also a rumor that a former factory driver of some sort may be forming a new ALMS GT team, but I don't know any details about that.

**skycafe** · 30 Jan 2012, 22:55 (Ref:3019160)

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Originally Posted by AGD

There is also a rumor that a former factory driver of some sort may be forming a new ALMS GT team, but I don't know any details about that.

Melo?

AGD · 30 Jan 2012, 23:19 (Ref:3019175)

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Originally Posted by skycafe

Melo?

I'm not sure. Is Melo wealthy? Maybe someone like Beretta, O'Connell, or Fellows? I'm not sure. I would just be guessing and I'm not sure if the rumor is reliable.

**skycafe** · 30 Jan 2012, 23:45 (Ref:3019189)

I am not sure any of them are wealthy either--Melo has a following in Brazil, so maybe he can raise money. He can get Rubens on the team instead of in Indy cars, although I would rather see Rubens in a proto.

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