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Old 23 Apr 2010, 14:33 (Ref:2678470)   #151
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I never quite understood how that pass didn't warrant a post race penalty! Oh well.
That was 14 years ago and people are still talking about it. I don't think many people will be talking about Alonso overtaking Massa, as they were about to enter pit lane, in another 14 years.
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Old 23 Apr 2010, 14:38 (Ref:2678475)   #152
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That was 14 years ago and people are still talking about it. I don't think many people will be talking about Alonso overtaking Massa, as they were about to enter pit lane, in another 14 years.
True that. Alonso's move didn't have the last lap, intense, atmospheric build-up like Zanardi's move had. I doubt we will ever see a move like that again...
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Old 23 Apr 2010, 14:45 (Ref:2678480)   #153
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True that. Alonso's move didn't have the last lap, intense, atmospheric build-up like Zanardi's move had. I doubt we will ever see a move like that again...
We might have too look outside of F1 and the IRL to see somethng like that again. For overtaking moves the best I ever saw was Ickx taking Lauda round the outside of Paddock in the rain at Race of Champions in '74. Pure racing, no championship at stake.
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Old 25 Apr 2010, 16:54 (Ref:2679439)   #154
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Well, they have publicly stated that their relationship is "fine", in my opinion, its the start of cracks appearing, I could be wrong of course, but I would be surprised if things don't get worse. Alonso doesn't seem to be a team player at all.
If you have to publicly state that everything is fine, then everything is not fine. Simples.
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Old 25 Apr 2010, 17:03 (Ref:2679446)   #155
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I dare say that Massa was far more content to be alongside Kimi than he is to be alongside Fernando.

Montezemolo wants them both to drive for the team, whatever that means?
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I dare say that Massa was far more content to be alongside Kimi than he is to be alongside Fernando.

Montezemolo wants them both to drive for the team, whatever that means?
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Old 7 May 2010, 19:10 (Ref:2686209)   #157
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I know, not most reliable source, but still..... if true rubbing hands in glee...lol
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Old 7 May 2010, 20:10 (Ref:2686249)   #158
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If that is true source, Massa's 85% gone. Kubica is unfulfilled boy, Massa lost his chance in 2008 by his mistakes in Aus and Mal and poor drive in Bri, and I don't really see any reason why Ferrari should keep him, unless he beats Fernando, and I think Kubica still has greater potential.
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I don't think he's fully recovered from his accident. If anyone should have taken a sabbaticlal maybe Massa should have, that was a serious injury.
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Old 7 May 2010, 21:04 (Ref:2686264)   #160
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Kubica-Alonso would be a phenomenal combo IMO. But I still think Massa is well liked in Ferrari and I can't see him go.
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But I still think Massa is well liked in Ferrari and I can't see him go.
This is purely surmise on my part, but I think after Massa's accident Ferrari felt an obligation to give him a chance to show that he was fully recovered from it, particularly when the signs were that he was as good as new, and that's what they have done.

Maybe now they think he's fractionally slower than before, so they start talking to Kubica.
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This is purely surmise on my part, but I think after Massa's accident Ferrari felt an obligation to give him a chance to show that he was fully recovered from it, particularly when the signs were that he was as good as new, and that's what they have done.

Maybe now they think he's fractionally slower than before, so they start talking to Kubica.
I agree to an extent Strider, but Ferrari would have all sorts of data available to them and it could be as simple as they just know that Massa, even if he's as good as before, just isn't at Alonso's level. We are talking about arguably the greatest driver in the world.
Kubica has proven to be a different animal to Massa. Kubica also has a history from Italy when he raced karts there. I would imagine the Ferrari team has already confirmed basic information on him, he's been acknowledged as the driver Hamilton fears in a decent car and he's friends with Alonso.
Yes.... everyone will say Alonso will throw his toys out again, but I sincerely believe Alonso will respect Kubica as a rival. I don't think he ever felt that about Hamilton, mistakenly maybe, simply because he was a rookie, and his on-track actions speak volumes of what he thinks of Massa.
In much the same way, Hamilton respects Button, but I think he believes given some straight forward dry races, he will have the measure of Button.

Massa surprised everyone with his performances against Kimi, but that's of course if you particuarly rated Kimi in the first place.
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Good story. Massa started racing in Italy too, and has been Ferrari test driver... I don't think those little things count but certainly is the delight of every rumours.
If Ferrari sack Massa and replace him with Kubica, the only reason will be performance wise, nothing more than that.
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I think Rob Smedley should have the drive, listening to him on the radio it's clear he knows more about driving a race car than Massa.
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Gotta feel sorry for Massa. Schumacher, Raikkonen and now Alonso. Poor guy!
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If Kubica is friends with Alonso and he goes to Ferrari he will have to accept being inferior to Alonso (and I don't think he is nor will he) or that will be the end of that friendship....
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After performances like this weekend's, surely getting the boot would not be undeserved. And it is an issue that is sinisterly "under investigation" by the team
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After performances like this weekend's, surely getting the boot would not be undeserved. And it is an issue that is sinisterly "under investigation" by the team
Yeah, there's something wrong with the car and they will "investigate", that was said the entire weekend really, not really any "news"...













Anyway, Felipe is already out...
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Yeah, there's something wrong with the car and they will "investigate", that was said the entire weekend really, not really any "news"...













Anyway, Felipe is already out...
Indeed.

Both drivers had issues with the car, Felipe the worst affected unfortunately and he wants to get on top of the handling. That's all really.
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For me yes.

If a deal can be done with Kubica then he will be at Ferrari [my guess 3 year deal...]
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If a deal can be done with Kubica then he will be at Ferrari [my guess 3 year deal...]
It's amazing how these three year deals are rarely three years, usually two at the most.
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Kubica-Alonso would be a phenomenal combo IMO.
the drama would be absolutely phenomenal, i don't know how it'd work on track though. kubica seems to need a bit of a (excuse the term) submissive teammate to work alongside. i think we already learnt from alonso's year at mclaren that he's a similar sort of driver in that respect
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Now we will never know if Massa has been a really fast or just decent driver. Everything that goes from now on, he could blame on that crash he had last year. And I'm not saying that I could blame him if the conclusion ever rises = Alonso-superior/Massa-inferior.
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