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#2 Mobil1/Mega, WAU Holden - Scott Pye | 0 | 0% | |
#3 Rabble Club, KR Nissan - Garry Jacobson | 0 | 0% | |
#5 The Bottle O, Tickford Ford - Lee Holdsworth | 0 | 0% | |
#6 Monster Energy, Tickford Ford - Cam Waters | 0 | 0% | |
#7 Kelly Racing, KR Nissan - Andre Heimgartner | 0 | 0% | |
#8 Brad Jones Racing, BJR Holden - Nick Percat | 0 | 0% | |
#9 Penrite Racing, Erebus Holden - David Reynolds | 9 | 23.08% | |
#12 Shell V Power, DJRTP Ford - Fabian Coulthard | 0 | 0% | |
#14 Freightliner, BJR Holden - Tim Slade | 0 | 0% | |
#15 Castrol Racing, KR Nissan - Rick Kelly | 0 | 0% | |
#17 Shell V Power, DJRTP Ford - Scott McLaughlin | 17 | 43.59% | |
#18 Irwin Racing, Chasports Holden - Mark Winterbottom | 1 | 2.56% | |
#19 Truck Assist, Tekno Holden - Jack Le Brocq | 0 | 0% | |
#21 Cooldrive Auto Parts, BJR Holden - Macauley Jones | 0 | 0% | |
#22 Mobil1/Mega, WAU Holden - James Courtney | 0 | 0% | |
#23 Milwaukee Racing, 23Red Ford - Will Davison | 0 | 0% | |
#33 Boost Mobile, GRM Holden - Richie Stanaway | 0 | 0% | |
#34 Boost Mobile, GRM Holden - James Golding | 1 | 2.56% | |
#35 Optus Racing, MSR Holden - Todd Hazelwood | 0 | 0% | |
#55 SuperCheap Auto, Tickford Ford - Chaz Mostert | 2 | 5.13% | |
#78 Harvey Norman, KR Nissan - Simona De Silvestro | 0 | 0% | |
#88 Red Bull Holden, RBHRT Holden - Jamie Whincup | 2 | 5.13% | |
#97 Red Bull Holden, RBHRT Holden - Shane Van Gisbergen | 7 | 17.95% | |
#99 Penrite Racing, Erebus Holden - Anton de Pasquale | 0 | 0% | |
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6 Mar 2018, 09:01 (Ref:3806164) | #151 | |
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Why not just admit the current crop are very very close to outstaying their welcome, and change the category to GT3 cars. All the manufacturers you want, no homologation costs or time delays etc, anyone can buy a competitive car straight out of the box, parts aren't a problem, can be sold to anywhere in the world, etc etc. GT3 today is the new Group A of the late 80's / 90's. But I think Supercars are too stubborn to admit they've missed the boat with the current format, and will end up going down in a screaming heap rather than adopt GT3. And then some other smart promotor will step in with GT3 and everyone will be able to race again.
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6 Mar 2018, 09:11 (Ref:3806170) | #153 | ||
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GT3 cars are exotic and do not have mass appeal as cars people an aspire to buy.
Also some of them are getting ungodly expensive, which is something they need to address. Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk |
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6 Mar 2018, 09:43 (Ref:3806186) | #154 | |
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Won't be long before Supercars ends up like the NZTCC... premier tin-top catagory with zero market relevence, interest from teams dwindling year-on-year...
What's it got going for it? The noise. |
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6 Mar 2018, 21:04 (Ref:3806358) | #155 | |
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With a deafening silence from Supercars is it possible that a full field of Commodores is their fall back position? |
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7 Mar 2018, 00:20 (Ref:3806396) | #157 | |
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7 Mar 2018, 02:13 (Ref:3806419) | #158 | ||
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Deafening silence about what? Supercars new CEO only got his feet under the desk last week. No doubt he'll have more to say at some stage but it's a bit early to expect much public discussion/announcement/revelation right now.
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7 Mar 2018, 02:30 (Ref:3806424) | #159 | ||
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BMW and Alfa Romeo would love to able to sell dozens of M3 SC-editions and Giulia SC-editions to multiple identical regulations series around the world. TCR used the same principle as GT3 with front-drive compacts. So Supercars could do the same with rear-drive mid-sized sedans and hatches. DTM are scratching around and unsure whether to use Japanese 4-cylidner Super GT regulations. WTCC is gone. So the SC-regulations could form the basis of at least three major international series (Supercars, DTM and WTCC). Probably many more too: It could be a class in the Pirelli World Challenge (so some more sales there), the Swedish Touring Car championship (who have their own problems of an orphaned sports sedan style regulation), maybe the BTCC (if British TCR errodes BTCC's front drive hatchback racing base), maybe Argentina's Turismo Carretera. I think there is another French series with sports sedan style touring cars that escapes me at the moment, that could be another partner series to sign up. SC need to get on the phone and get negiotiating for a global set of regulations! Learn from what works! Teams like 888 and tickford have good facilities, and would love to be building dozens of Jaguar XE or XF sedan SC-editions and shipping them around the world. It would make an Australian race fan proud! Why should a M-sport hog all the mass production of racecar action! Aussie jobs FTW!! Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 7 Mar 2018 at 02:46. |
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7 Mar 2018, 02:39 (Ref:3806429) | #160 | ||
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If anything I think it is necessary to go to souped-up production bodyshell semi-exotic sports sedans like mercedes C43 AMG or Infinti Q50 Red Sport --> contemporary, market-relevant twin-turbo sports sedans which you can actually buy unlike an Altima V8 Supercar. |
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If you get your wish of global reguilations none of these will be building cars, this is part of the reason the local racing (which is team driven) don't want to go GT3. They do not just race cars, most of them build cars and components. |
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7 Mar 2018, 02:49 (Ref:3806433) | #162 | ||
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Especially for "non-attached" manufacturers like Infiniti or Jaguar, who don't have existing motor sport departments (afaik). |
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7 Mar 2018, 02:51 (Ref:3806435) | #163 | ||
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Clearly you have no idea about labour costs and economies of scale, this simply is not feasable considering the strength of the European market for these types of cars.
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7 Mar 2018, 02:53 (Ref:3806437) | #164 | |
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shouldn't the Australians say "yes, we can". Else they are going to keep racing orphaned, obscure borderline irrelevant regulations with only one manufacturer interested...
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7 Mar 2018, 03:01 (Ref:3806439) | #165 | |
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I have an idea to cut costs:
Why not buy second hand NASCARs and race these? - They are really cheap - Both Holden and Ford are represented - Just replace the engines (which are the expensive, exotic bit) with off-the-shelf stock LS3s and Coyote crate motors that are only $10,000 each and then BOP them Cheap? Yes. Safe? yes. Reliable? Yes What's not to like? NASCARS always put on a good show on road courses. Four gears on the floor, for the win! Does it really matter if the cars have headlights and opening doors? What does it matter, when they are so far removed from the production car anyway? The ATCC title should really be relinquished to a more market relevant category, and Supercars can just be Supercars with no pretense of being touring cars. |
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7 Mar 2018, 03:43 (Ref:3806445) | #166 | ||
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I am not sure if GT3 is the answer though, as they don't bump and rub and aren't really touring cars. That's why I think a four-door version of GT3, with less downforce too, would be ideal. it would be relevant to performance sedans sold all over the world, which you can actually buy. |
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7 Mar 2018, 10:11 (Ref:3806536) | #167 | |
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Back to the future with international Group A regulations.
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7 Mar 2018, 11:59 (Ref:3806570) | #168 | |
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7 Mar 2018, 12:32 (Ref:3806590) | #170 | |
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Whoever it is, certainly puts their team in a tough spot going forward.
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7 Mar 2018, 23:42 (Ref:3806745) | #171 | ||
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No one sponsor is bigger then the category. Its not good for the team involved though.
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7 Mar 2018, 23:49 (Ref:3806747) | #172 | |
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it adds to an interesting question though. Do we really need to move away from v8's
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8 Mar 2018, 00:16 (Ref:3806750) | #173 | |
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So it is Boost. WAU isn't going to tell a manufacturer wishing to deal with them using their non V8 to bugger off because of a threat from Boost though.
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8 Mar 2018, 00:29 (Ref:3806753) | #174 | |
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I say, no, it should remain solely a V8 formula; they should rejoice the fact that they are loud and fast, just as NASCAR do. |
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