ASCAR's new home

[Cynic]

Personally, I'd quite like to see a Camso and an SCSA go head to head round Lydden. The Camso car might have the edge round the corners, but I reckon the SCSA cars would have the grunt to make it back on the straights.

On another topic, does anyone know how many cars are expected to show at Farnborough? I'm still in two minds whether to go yet. A healthy display of V8's might swing it.

[R59]

The CAMSO cars have similar power (about 450) to the ASCAR's (460), but an ASCAR weighs much more (1300kg with driver, compared to 905Kg). A CAMSO car would run rings around an ASCAR without playing with ballast to equalise things.
The CAMSO car has a heavier engine (iron block) but has much less in the way of safety cage (ASCAR is designed to run on speedways and superspeedways, as well as short ovals AND road courses).

For Farnborough, there is a limit of 12 cars. It's to be a sprint with a pit-stop - all against the clock.

[ss_collins]

so did any cars show? did this event have a MSA permit?

[R59]

Revolution Racing took their three cars and put on a show.
It wasn't a proper "sprint", more of a demonstration, but against the clock.

According to a report on another forum, there was quite a lot of interest.

You have a PM regarding the full S.P.

[andy97]

Not many cars out this weekend at Snetterton ASCARS, VSRs or Super Silhouettes. Whats going on? Is it time to do the "decent thing" with the Regimental Webley or is there a future?

[R59]

electro convulsive therapy would do better! A mix of reasons. From money or the lack thereof, through an adversoin to road courses, the BRSCC, doing multi-class racing, stubborness, and ignorence of reality. For me, its time and money.

[Minicross424]

Ill grab some nails for the coffin Ha Ha
(its a joke Rob)

[chunder]

Think this series cards were marked right from the start

Always been awful, do the decent thing for goodness sake

[R59]

If it were down to me, I'd have canned 2008, and worked on re-starting properly, well organised, in 2009. We were assured that there would be a dozen or so VSR's out there, and they didn't appear for fear of been whooped by big V8 monsters from Rockingham. Brands showed that the little people stood a very good chance. It also showed us that the tyres weren't up to the job in warmer weather.

Croix was as I expected - a waste of time. Didn't want to go there, even if my car had been made ready, and Pembrey next week is another one I wouldn't want to do.

To revitalise a series, you need to make it worth doing, and the dates given to the VSR's by the BRSCC were nothing short of bottom of the barrel dregs.

There are discussions going on behind the scenes (nothing to do with the existing organisation), things could happen. Not saying they will, but they could. Bottom line is the people who own cars don't want to see their assets worth even less!

Me, I don't personally care any more. I have projects which will use the running gear, or in fact the whole car if nothing comes of the talks.

[ss_collins]

Where did it go so wrong - Eurocar V6 to this??

[kelvin88]

I blame the Russians...

[Minicross424]

Dont you mean they need a Russian? and do a chelsea to the ascars?

[chunder]

Eurocar was much cheaper and much more even

And it had a really good setup for tv etc.

Not really sure why it took off, but if you remember the V8 version was a shambles

ASCAR was a disaster when first launched. Big teams, big drivers etc, but the orginal cars were siply not designed to run on a track like Rock, they were designed to run on shorter tracks.

then there was the awful way the series was passed from pillar to post, just real badly handled from the start.

Simple fact is that NOWHERE in teh world does this kind of racing make snese apart from North America. They ahve the culture, the history and the whole decades of interest.

Like F1 doesnt work there, NASCAR will never work here. In its many forms it has never taken off and never will.

We are just different to them on this!

[ss_collins]

I disagree - heard of National Hot Rods?

[Minicross424]

Is there no series it could be used in rob? you need something like thundersaloons, stick some wings and splitters on the thing!
If not then spit it for spares

[ss_collins]

I think they should just muck in with CAMSO, as a seperate class but on the same track at the same time. So a 40 car field would be possible if all the ASCARS that are claimed to run (15 or so?) materialise...

But Elvis Presley signing for Hendrick is more likely.

[andy97]

Originally Posted by ss_collins

I disagree - heard of National Hot Rods?

They should probably have let the Oval fraternity run it, too. At least they seem to know how to get a crowd.

[R59]

Mr Collins' hearing aid needs new batteries. WE DO NOT WANT TO DO 1/4MILE OVAL RACING WITH THESE CARS. (is that loud enough?)

And the phrase is "used to know how to get a crowd" - even that's tailing off with the way that Incarace ran things (stuff all promotion, then charging drivers to race!).

And Minicross - there is always the Aston Martin Super GT series. It has power to weight based classes, and the ASCAR sit's just in the second class.

All is not lost yet. Like I've said, there are talks going on the background. Doors are said to be open, not closed.

[kelvin88]

Oh go on... Promise we wont rub you!

[R59]

Sweetie, not in public - people will talk!

[kelvin88]

oh-er missus!

[PCR]

Originally Posted by ss_collins

I think they should just muck in with CAMSO, as a seperate class but on the same track at the same time. So a 40 car field would be possible if all the ASCARS that are claimed to run (15 or so?) materialise...

But 40 cars on a shorttrack like Warneton isn´t possible. And 2 classes in one race would also be very unfair, as there is enough trouble to lap a backmarker racing in the same type of car.
And the Camso V8s aren´t made for bigger tracks.

[Rod Birley]

Rob, can the engines be used in BriSCA F.1. Someone like Tim Warwick could make good use of one?

[R59]

Nobody is going to break any of the cars yet.
Colin White has ideas for using them for other road course classes - getting more European bodies on them.

The engines are Lingenfelter tuned GM LS1's, all sealed at 460bhp.

They have a value (in the 'states) of around $12000 each. Modified (up to 500bhp for USAC GTA use in the same chassis) will value them at up to $22000 each.

If you can get Lingenfelter to build you some more, they'll set you back $26000 each.

Even the used value buys you a quite well sorted smallblock chevy, or even a quite well sorted big block.

Monty-Fan speaks the truth!

A CAMSO is a short track car. An ASCAR is a speedway/long track/road course/multi-use car. They are different animal. Would you put National HotRods on the same track as F2 Stock Cars?

[chunder]

Simply you would never put contact formulae on with non contact formulae, so comparing F2 and Hot rods is futile really.

CAMSO and ASCAR are basically a similar initial concept with different uses. Comparing F2 to Hot Rods only shares one thing, quarter mile ovals. One uses slicks, one uses treads, one goes clockwise, one goes anti, one has contact one doesnt.

the only difference between CAMSO and ASCAR is the car, everything else is broadly similar.

I think the people invovled should just agree to call it a day, the parts can be sold on to many formulae, engines can be used anywhere?

As regards Tim Warwick, I think he's doing fine this year, has come close to winning some races!!