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Whilst on the subject of inconsistency, can somebody please tell me why ingram got penalised for his (not) push to pass on Shedden at Donington, yet at Brands Hatch both Butcher and Chilton got away with far worse, Chiltons even causing ££££ damage to other cars….. please explain, because right now, I am struggling to see this championship as not being somewhat biased……
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TOCA have no mandate for individual cars. For example if one Honda needs pulling in, all Hondas get pulled back. Likewise if WSR get on a roll and get an adjustment so does Tom Chilton trundling around in 21st. |
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BTCC reveals hybrid details, ditches success ballast for 2022 rules
'The BTCC will no longer use success ballast when it introduces new rules in 2022, and the Cosworth hybrid system will instead be used to balance performance in the series' |
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2017 - 8 out of 10 race 1 and 2 were won by the Subaru. Between Donington and Croft in 2012, 9 out of 10 consecutive races (incl R3s) were won by Honda Yuasa. Between Knockhill and Brands in 2009, 9 out of 12 consecutive races were won by Chevrolet. Between Mondello and Donington in 2006, 9 out of 10 R1&R2 races were won by Halfords. 2021 - Best run of results for the Infiniti - 2x 1sts and 2x 2nds in a six-race sequence. Best 10 race sequence - 4x podiums. Ingram and Butcher had periods of greater dominance than the Infiniti did during the season. Do you see the difference? |
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25 Oct 2021, 18:39 (Ref:4079987) | #156 | |
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But none of them were really dominant. A lot of it was track specific. I admit Honda Yuasa were quite dominant in 2011-12 though. But with others like the Chevy it depended on the track. There were still plenty of other winners
To be fair Infiniti could have won more, but others raised their game as the season wore on. Sutton was just good at banking points and made the most of his luck But that’s enough, the racing is still good enough |
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25 Oct 2021, 18:42 (Ref:4079988) | #157 | |
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Can't see the point in giving reasonable arguments for why Sutton and Infiniti were not really dominating this season - some are so insistent on the idea they were 'too strong, too fast' that logical arguments don't reach them. If someone doesn't like the fact there are team/driver combinations that can just be the best in a given year, then I'd suggest watching one-make cups where all cars are the same (still different teams though) or Formula E where results seem rather random.
Apart from this, a fantastic season from Sutton and his team, personally I wanted him to win more races but his (and his engineer's) strategy for the season has paid off a great deal. Chapeau bas, clearly the best this season. |
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Ultimately, if the drivers want to be in a championship where every race is watched by a thousand people on YouTube, there are plenty of options open to them. But the hundreds of thousands of viewers they get on ITV4 seem to be more appealing to the sponsors. |
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How fast is the Infiniti?
Podiums this year 9 - Cook (inc the DSQ), Ingram, Hill, Sutton 8 - Turkington, Shedden 6 - Butcher 4 - Proctor, Rowbottom, LLoyd 3 - Moffat Teams Wise 15 - BTC 14 - BMW (3 cars) 12 - Laser 12 - Dynamics 10 - MB |
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When the Honda engine was adjusted - ALL cars running the NB engine had to make the same adjustments. When the CoG changes were introduced - ALL RWD cars had to make the same adjustments. When base weights or start boost reductions were implemented - ALL RWD cars had to make the same adjustments. When the BMW engine was adjusted - ALL cars running the NB engine had to make the same adjustments. Now, you are advocating for TOCA to change their approach because one driver has had two very consistent and reliable seasons (only finishing outside the points in 3 of 57 races) - and carry out a performance adjustment on ALL cars driven by Ash Sutton. |
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25 Oct 2021, 20:47 (Ref:4080006) | #162 | ||
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The infinity doesn’t get its speed from the engine, it’s one of the slowest cars in speed traps, it’s from the chassis.
The team has either done an amazing job on the chassis within the rules, they have found a legal loophole somewhere within the rules, or they are exploiting something outside of the rules, although the latter I’d have thought very unlikely. |
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For me he did all that was required. To do it in spite of the ballast was a great achievement and shows what he was up against. He’s a tin top legend, one who could win in any series and should be remembered for years to come
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26 Oct 2021, 03:54 (Ref:4080076) | #165 | |
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Being waved by by the whole field in multiple races isn't a great achievement
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What's the point in having the car's performance reduced if the field are going to wave it through anyway? Incidentally - who do you think did the waving by? Turkington, Hill, Ingram, Cook, Shedden and Butcher were all competing hard for their own results - did they wave him through? If not - then their teammates need to be looked at. Did Jelley, Oliphant, Jackson, Osborne, Smiley, Proctor, Rowbottom and Smelt do the waving through? If it wasn't those challenging for wins, or their teammates, then that leaves the other BMWs, the Vauxhalls and the Cupras? Unless you are suggesting that teammates of his rivals actually helped Sutton rather than their own team? |
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As someone who raced a saloon car fairly successfully many, many years ago, you chose carefully who you pick your battles with, because, if you don't, you usually end up losing lots of time on the track by trying to defend an irrepressible force. There is little point in trying to defend against a car/driver combination that you know is going to be far quicker than you. And sometimes you can even get on the tail of that faster car and improve your end result by getting past other cars using opportunities created by the faster car. It isn't as simple as just waving another competitor through; you have to think tactics all the time. |
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Oh - and a bit of a bugbear of mine at the moment is the continued reference to 'penalising' cars or drivers. Penalties are for when a regulation has been breached. I know what the posters are referring to - but boost adjustments etc. are not penalties. A penalty is bounded - performance adjustments endure..... |
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I'm just happy for Sutton and hope he can make it three in a row next year.
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And something that I noticed during the ITV coverage on Sunday is that Sutton seems to have really good relations with most of the other drivers (I'm sure that there is at least one exception), and the fact that, as was mentioned in the commentary, he has been mentoring his own team-mate which accounts for Moffat's progress this year. I don't think that many other drivers have earned that respect down a pit lane. |
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Notably he also doesn't get involved in rubbishing his competitors in interviews, or on social media. He's quite the smooth operator, isn't he?
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