[LM24 Race] 2012 24 Hours of Le Mans Race Thread

[GTfour]

Originally Posted by Adam43

How do you know it was no better with the ugly fin? You have no control sample.

As I said I don't like them, but my challenge here is on the logic. It's the experimental physicist in me.

I go allong with you in your quest for raw provable data, but that's exactly my point. In my opinion, the rulemakers tend to congure up all kinds of 'safety features' without being able to produce the evidence that those modifications actually work.
If I again look at Davidsons crash, I can't help but seeing the ugly fin speeding up the flip instead of preventing it...

[the.cosmic.pope]

Originally Posted by GTfour

I go allong with you in your quest for raw provable data, but that's exactly my point. In my opinion, the rulemakers tend to congure up all kinds of 'safety features' without being able to produce the evidence that those modifications actually work.
If I again look at Davidsons crash, I can't help but seeing the ugly fin speeding up the flip instead of preventing it...

How exactly does it speed it up?

[GTfour]

Originally Posted by the.cosmic.pope

How exactly does it speed it up?

Obvious really, once the car turns sideways at those speeds, a large sail like area like the current obligatory fin will slow down the top half of the car more forcefull then the lower half, speeding up the capsizing of the entire car. Then ofcourse, as soon as a gap opens up between tarmac and flat undertray, it's all academic...

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by GTfour

I go allong with you in your quest for raw provable data, but that's exactly my point. In my opinion, the rulemakers tend to congure up all kinds of 'safety features' without being able to produce the evidence that those modifications actually work.
If I again look at Davidsons crash, I can't help but seeing the ugly fin speeding up the flip instead of preventing it...

Don't forget with Davidson's crash the left rear wheel had gone, so the right front of the car will correspondingly lift up, allowing the air to get under the car.

[The Badger]

Oh dear , whats the fix for that then , tracks !!!

You cant argue with the laws of physics , and each accident is differant .

You plan a fix for one type of accident , and it exagerates another type of accident .

Racing is dangerous , get on with it .

Im sick to death of hearing all these opinions ..... you cant plan for an accident , cuz its an accident .

The people who drive these cars do so at their own risk , and we as spectators also enter the premises at our own risk .

[GTfour]

[CTD]

Originally Posted by The Badger

Oh dear , whats the fix for that then , tracks !!!

You cant argue with the laws of physics , and each accident is differant .

You plan a fix for one type of accident , and it exagerates another type of accident .

Racing is dangerous , get on with it .

Im sick to death of hearing all these opinions ..... you cant plan for an accident , cuz its an accident .

The people who drive these cars do so at their own risk , and we as spectators also enter the premises at our own risk .

Unfortunatley it's not the way the world works...
I agree with you, but if we continue to see more airborne accidents where the barriers of the track almost isn't sufficient, then there has to be some sort of reaction, otherwise, what will stop a 1955 accident!?
I would hate to see Motorsport getting banned because there wasn't any adjustment taken to avoid it.

[The Badger]

That was 63 years ago , safety has come a long way since then as we see .

Motorsport is and always will be dangerous , end of .

I dont mean to sound uncaring or crass but ..... accidents are a fact of life , thats why we have speed limits on public roads and traffic lights . Racing is free , so lets not loose it as it is .

What happens when a wheel seperates from the chassis and enteres the crowds ?

What happens when a wing seperates and enteres the crowds ?

What happens when rear body work seperates and enteres the crowds ?

Will we bungy everything to the car or add tracks or what , what do we do !!!

I can go on and on with possible accidents ..... how do you expect to remedy them all ?

You cant , cuz one set of regulations will somehow exagerate another accident .

We have the odd filp , while unfortunatly it happens , we have to except this for fear of becoming wrapped up in cotton wool .

The drivers want more power , the teams want more power , they should know , shouldnt they .

We go to watch racing at our own risk , so lets except it .

We have seen that this fin mod supposedly works , in some cases ..... ask Ant Davidson did it work !!!

End result , you cant remedy the physics of an accident , cuz thats what it is , an accident ..... so how can you plan for something you dont know as each accident is differant .

Oh , I might add , If I get hit by debris from a motorsport accident , I have to except that too , or dont go .

[CTD]

Originally Posted by The Badger

That was 63 years ago , safety has come a long way since then as we see .

Motorsport is and always will be dangerous , end of .

I dont mean to sound uncaring or crass but ..... accidents are a fact of life , thats why we have speed limits on public roads and traffic lights . Racing is free , so lets not loose it as it is .

What happens when a wheel seperates from the chassis and enteres the crowds ?

What happens when a wing seperates and enteres the crowds ?

What happens when rear body work seperates and enteres the crowds ?

Will we bungy everything to the car or add tracks or what , what do we do !!!

I can go on and on with possible accidents ..... how do you expect to remedy them all ?

You cant , cuz one set of regulations will somehow exagerate another accident .

We have the odd filp , while unfortunatly it happens , we have to except this for fear of becoming wrapped up in cotton wool .

The drivers want more power , the teams want more power , they should know , shouldnt they .

We go to watch racing at our own risk , so lets except it .

We have seen that this fin mod supposedly works , in some cases ..... ask Ant Davidson did it work !!!

End result , you cant remedy the physics of an accident , cuz thats what it is , an accident ..... so how can you plan for something you dont know as each accident is differant .

Oh , I might add , If I get hit by debris from a motorsport accident , I have to except that too , or dont go .

Yes, it was 63 years ago, and safety has increased. But so has the speeds.

And i think you misunderstand me. I'm not craving regulation changes or more safety - Not at all. Personally i would love to see the Mulsanne chicanes gone, the "hill" at Hunaudiers back and mostly the BHF, BHH and the narrow rear wing all gone!
I as a huge motorsport fan knows and accepts the risks of going. I've been hit by loads of tire rubber and gravel as an marshall, so i also know that things fly off.

But that doesn't change the fact that many of the people going to motorsport doesn't understand these risks, and especially the family and friends of any one who suffer from these risks won't understand.

As fans of a very dynamic and changing sport, we must accept that safety has to change along with it. This is something that which won't come naturally, but has to be mandated. If you don't believe me, ask any top driver. (Referring to Michael Schumachers work for safety, and Stirling Moss among others)

[The Badger]

Time out , Ive said my bit .

[Aysedasi]

Yep - this is all getting highly OT. This is the 2012 race thread. These same debates are appearing in virtually every thread now. Let's move on.

[AndrewF31]

Found this very cool: http://lendurance.co.uk/2012/06/spec...-in-instagram/

Picture album of Le Mans.

[Simmi]

Originally Posted by AndrewF31

Found this very cool: http://lendurance.co.uk/2012/06/spec...-in-instagram/

Picture album of Le Mans.

Agreed thanks for the find. Really like what these guys are doing at the moment. Classy publications.

[Great Dane]

Originally Posted by AndrewF31

Found this very cool: http://lendurance.co.uk/2012/06/spec...-in-instagram/

Picture album of Le Mans.

I am in it!

[Holt]

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[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by AndrewF31

Found this very cool: http://lendurance.co.uk/2012/06/spec...-in-instagram/

Picture album of Le Mans.

Thanks for the link.