[ELMS] ELMS Discussion

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Originally Posted by ApexTurtle

Wait a Ford Transit support race? Is there footage of that?

Here's a street circuit race for that old lovely series
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt5IbHFP3ec



Those were great times for all

[ApexTurtle]

Excellent, thank you very much That bit of footage was already more exciting than a full FE race I must say...

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In the midst of modern sea of spec Orecas and Onroaks and Normas, there will be mix of actual variety prototypes racing this weekend
http://www.dailysportscar.com/wp-con...Entry-List.pdf

Too bad no GT1s this time round, although it's not like you could see this if you are not at the circuit

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Creventic-level of absurdity here, does even SRO add this many layers?
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2019/05/10/4h-monza-friday-paddock-notes-gte-success-ballast-88-porsche-will-not-race.html

The success ballast is calculated in three stages, on three tables (available below).

Table A is the result from the previous race, with 15kg for the winning car, 10kg for second place and 5kg for third.

Table B is the result from the race preceding the previous event with the same ballast of 15kg, 10kg and 5kg.

Table C is the current championship positions, with 15kg for the championship leaders, 10kg for the second placed car in the championship and 5kg for third.

The success ballast for Monza is calculated by adding the three tables together.

+ BoP on top

[Mike E]

I am very confused about how BoP and success ballast will work together.

Has this been explained somewhere?

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Probably the same way as handicap pitstop system (penalty time is added to pitstops) works with BoP in Michelin Le Mans Cup, you know the nonsensical way

[Deleted]

If only... If only
https://youtu.be/vjCXM7TBGQ0

Also about the Ligier JS P2 "record" bit, DSC must've forgotten that Saleen S7-R was racing in SRO historics even before being outlawed from Le Mans and other series lol. But otherwise interesting article
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2019/05/10/masters-endurance-legends-notebook-from-monza.html

[Damian Baldi]

Incredible amount of legendary and still fast cars. The Peugeot and Aston look sooo fast even is they are standing.

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Indeed, beauty in motion it is

Maybe this'll convince ACO to bring the Legends support race back for LM after hiatus, and instead of the old tired Group C or 1949-1965 they'd go with this modern format instead. They can free room by axing the Ferrari/Porsche/Aston spec series slot (Aston prob be fine with that given they are title sponsor for this particular series)

[Graham Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Chiana

If only... If only
https://youtu.be/vjCXM7TBGQ0

Also about the Ligier JS P2 "record" bit, DSC must've forgotten that Saleen S7-R was racing in SRO historics even before being outlawed from Le Mans and other series lol. But otherwise interesting article
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2019/0...rom-monza.html

Nope - didn't forget - in fact the Ferrari and Aston in the field at Monza are both still homologated - but neither are reigning championship-winnong cars from 76 days ago!

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Alright

Bizarre weather near the end of MLMC, before the arrival of rain, dark all of sudden because of the clouds and the floating blossoms in the air in front of blazing headlights made it look like a fairy tale land. I don't recall seeing that before

[Akrapovic]

Some good racing at Monza at the moment. Maybe getting a little rough out front though.

The ORECA-fest has never been more obvious than this though.

[Damian Baldi]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

The ORECA-fest has never been more obvious than this though.

I agree. I watched the race today. That difference from Oreca to the other cars it's a shame, the competition would be a lot better with more parity. At Monza is more obvious.

[chernaudi]

Sadly, it seems that Oreca just built a better mouse trap. They got things right when the current LMP2 regs were introduced. Car's great at Le Mans, works just about as well everywhere else, works well as the Acrua ARX-05 DPI and forms the basis for the Rebellion R13 (it should be noted that though the BR1 LMP1 and the P217 are built by Dallara, they're not directly related like the Oreca 07 and the R13 are).

Also, like the Porsche 956/962, the 07 has strength in numbers in the ELMS and the WEC. I don't see that changing much until the next rules cycle or BOP gets introduced into LMP2 (which the point of the regs is to minimize the presence of BOP).

[Mike E]

Originally Posted by chernaudi

I don't see that changing much until the next rules cycle or BOP gets introduced into LMP2 (which the point of the regs is to minimize the presence of BOP).

Or success ballast...

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The old non-spec regulations had, even with the tech freeze and cost cap, EVO kit upgrade options for all the chassis manufacturers... as in proper EVO and not that waiver joker crap for non-Orecas... but hey bop and success ballast is much easier... read lazier...

[S griffin]

With WEC going for a rule change, I wonder what the future will hold for ELMS. It’s a good series it’s own right and would be good to see it continue for a little longer

[Deleted]

Originally Posted by S griffin

With WEC going for a rule change, I wonder what the future will hold for ELMS. It’s a good series it’s own right and would be good to see it continue for a little longer

Why would it have any impact on this series whatsoever

[S griffin]

Because the WEC was born out of the ILMC, which had some LMES races, which is now ELMS. As both series run to similar, but different rules, I just wonder what ruleset ELMS will go to when WEC will change it’s rules

[Mike E]

Ben Keating has ruled out a WEC campaign but just might do ELMS instead. It would be good to have something other than Porsche and Ferrari in the class.

https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...d-gt-programs/

[rich07]

Originally Posted by Mike E

Ben Keating has ruled out a WEC campaign but just might do ELMS instead. It would be good to have something other than Porsche and Ferrari in the class.



https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...d-gt-programs/

That would be nice. Last time we had something other then a Porsche or Ferrari or even an Aston was the Marc VDS Z4 (correct me if I’m wrong)

[S griffin]

A nice bit of variety that is needed for the class

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I guess in 2021 they will have to slow down everything here as well to make the classes universally comforming. And then, to not have Michelin Le Mans Cup embarrasingly being the fastest series of the weekend, do the same for that.

This will also have to be the series to follow in 2021, now that WEC and IMSA have both been turned into trash by bop. I don't like freeze spec and it makes mockery of the concept of "prototype", but even that is preferable to bop wrestling lottery.

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Chiana

I guess in 2021 they will have to slow down everything here as well to make the classes universally comforming. And then, to not have Michelin Le Mans Cup embarrasingly being the fastest series of the weekend, do the same for that.

This will also have to be the series to follow in 2021, now that WEC and IMSA have both been turned into trash by bop. I don't like freeze spec and it makes mockery of the concept of "prototype", but even that is preferable to bop wrestling lottery.

Good point, I hadn't thought of the ramifications for ELMS P2 cars if they are slowing them in the WEC.

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But then the LMP3s racing in the non-ACO series will probably end up 5-10 seconds faster than ACO P3s right?