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19 Jun 2014, 15:57 (Ref:3423854)
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That would be nice. It's about time we see a proper tire war. Falken is down to 1 car and Dunlop foolishly dropped the BMW's despite that RLL program being the best thing to ever happen to them in sportscars. There is no competition in P2. Dunlop doesn't build a better tire than Michelin.
Michelin refused to build a proper P2 tire because P2 regulations say that a P2 tire supplier must share it's tires with the other manufacturers. Michelin knew that to give Dunlop a proper Michelin P2 tire would give away trade secrets in their GTE and LMP1 tires. |
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19 Jun 2014, 17:48 (Ref:3423904)
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It appears the shadowy car is a track day car:
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19 Jun 2014, 17:54 (Ref:3423912)
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But will it? McLaren hasn't said anything other than what's in their own news releases and haven't actually said what the image is of. Wait and see...
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19 Jun 2014, 19:05 (Ref:3423941)
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Im betting updated GT3 car, renamed 650 instead of mp4 12.
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19 Jun 2014, 20:47 (Ref:3423978)
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Yeah from what I gather I don't think this is a GTE. I'd be very happy to be wrong but still don't think the rules are where McLaren want them.
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20 Jun 2014, 04:18 (Ref:3424059)
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650S GT3
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20 Jun 2014, 05:06 (Ref:3424066)
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Probably more due to Pirelli having deal with Blancpain GT & BES as the sole tyre supplier. PWC has this too but is a small market for cars so no need tailor teasers specifically for it. The 12C GT3 was pretty simple compared to the road car to meet GT3 regulations. I assume any special stuff introduced on the 650S won't be legal either so this will probably just be a face lifted 12C GT3 in essence. |
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21 Jun 2014, 16:59 (Ref:3424661)
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Not a GTE according to Graham Goodwin.
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22 Jun 2014, 04:39 (Ref:3424802)
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Not surprised. I think it's a bit early for a GTE car to be unveiled after the GT convergence talks broke down (and McLaren would've known which way it was going to fall before it was public knowledge). It'll be an updated GT3 by my reckoning with the 650S taking over from the MP4-12C as McLaren's entry level road car and production of the latter has finished now. |
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26 Jun 2014, 16:24 (Ref:3426847)
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26 Jun 2014, 17:11 (Ref:3426857)
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thanks for the link though.
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27 Jun 2014, 02:04 (Ref:3426988)
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27 Jun 2014, 08:23 (Ref:3427054)
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Oooh
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27 Jun 2014, 10:21 (Ref:3427093)
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27 Jun 2014, 10:43 (Ref:3427101)
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Ooooh very nice!!!
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27 Jun 2014, 10:48 (Ref:3427102)
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Yes, 650S GT3. However, all the design elements of the bodywork point to it also being capable of passing GTE regs with minimal mods (remove the fender vents and change the diffuser). So this could also be the basis for a GTE car to come...
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27 Jun 2014, 13:43 (Ref:3427157)
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Or the fact their last sportscar to win Le Mans carried 59.
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27 Jun 2014, 15:35 (Ref:3427188)
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GT convergence is going to happen and it's going to come from the manufacturers, not the ACO. This is likely the first one to get this going.
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27 Jun 2014, 22:51 (Ref:3427304)
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The car has a 52mm "wider track" http://cars.mclaren.com/featured-art...ed-at-fos.html
I assume this is another step in the gte direction or based off the car for gte? The width of the gte cars are 2050mm-2100mm. The dimensions for the 12c gt3 is 1995mm wide. So ~2048mm width for this. |
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27 Jun 2014, 23:51 (Ref:3427318)
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204.7cm wide, 205cm allowed by LMGTE regulations.
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28 Jun 2014, 07:55 (Ref:3427398)
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650S GT3 = GT3 650S GT3 with different rear wing, diffuser and other details = GTE Would be amazing to see a 650S GTE at le mans already in 2015. Anyway, hope that mclaren updated the engine to make it last 24 hours for real. |
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