[BTCC] Knockhill, 12th-13th August 2023 - Rounds 19, 20, 21

[Evantra]

Jelley penalised, Collard on the podium.

https://www.barc.net/wp-content/uplo...hen-Jelley.pdf

[Matt K]

Originally Posted by SR18

Its as simple as that. BMWs were the best in 2019 and have been penalised. Ford are the best but were Not penalised. It's unfair which would make suttons title this year worthless

Oh great so you say those who are the best should be penalised just because they're the best and if they're not they are champions illegally? Never heard such nonsense before.
BTCC is regardless of anything really, really close championship because the rules help it. Everyone has a chance to win if they get things right and looking at drivers who won, were on the podium or were in the top 10 this year it's clear that it's working as it has been for years now. If a team finds a way to win lots of races within that rules then it's clear they've made things very well. End of story. That's (still and in spite of being entertainment) a sport, not a school contest that wants to please all children and their parents.

[SR18]

Originally Posted by Evantra

Jelley penalised, Collard on the podium.

https://www.barc.net/wp-content/uplo...hen-Jelley.pdf

Jelley remains the Most unluckiest Driver

[AnnoyedMoose]

Originally Posted by SR18

Jelley remains the Most unluckiest Driver

How is it unlucky that he got penalised for breaking the rules? He was lucky that he got to start race two in what was, in reality, the wrong position.

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by Evantra

Jelley penalised, Collard on the podium.

https://www.barc.net/wp-content/uplo...hen-Jelley.pdf

For Race 1. Race 2 stands.

[v8supes]

Good action today. I’m baffled as to why failing ride height purely changing from dry to wet tires isn’t counted as “force majeure”. Also if they know changing from dry to wet can cause ride height failure then why not check the rest of the field?

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by v8supes

Good action today. I’m baffled as to why failing ride height purely changing from dry to wet tires isn’t counted as “force majeure”. Also if they know changing from dry to wet can cause ride height failure then why not check the rest of the field?

It isn’t force majeure as it’s nothing like it. The teams were free to set their cars up higher if they wanted.

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by v8supes

Good action today. I’m baffled as to why failing ride height purely changing from dry to wet tires isn’t counted as “force majeure”. Also if they know changing from dry to wet can cause ride height failure then why not check the rest of the field?

Are wet tyres not generally larger in diameter than slicks? Or are these different?

If it was from a change of tyre, and everyone has the same tyre, I find it odd that only 1 team failed.

[redshoes]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Are wet tyres not generally larger in diameter than slicks?

Yes, but they wear more so end up smaller

If it was from a change of tyre, and everyone has the same tyre, I find it odd that only 1 team failed.

Some teams will have raised the ride-height pre-race as the were expecting teh possibility of a wet race.
Also some will do the adjustment when they change tyres, although that obviously means a longer pit-stop

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Are wet tyres not generally larger in diameter than slicks? Or are these different?

IIRC, the wets are very slightly larger in diameter, before the tread wears. At the end of their life, they end up smaller in diameter than an equivalent age slick.

[GT6]

Do any of the cars come with snorkels fitted?

[Akrapovic]

I am wet.

[thetool]

Just another reason why having the third BTCC race be the last race of the day is a bad idea. I don't think Knockhill has a curfew does it? So they should be good to get the race in, but a late finish and drive home for spectators.

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by thetool

Just another reason why having the third BTCC race be the last race of the day. I don't think Knockhill has a curfew does it? So they should be good to get the race in, but a late finish and drive home for spectators.

No curfew, just a noise limit of 105db.

[porsche962fan]

that's it

2023 champion Sutton

[Craner Curves]

Someone is going to put Collard in the fence before long unless he stops his nonsense.

[Evantra]

Ahhh Pearson so nearly had that! Excellent drive. Great showing from Patterson too.

Let’s see how the ride height checks go…

[porsche962fan]

BMW's are out of it Tingram only theoretical ones, it would require some huge bad luck on Sutton's part , he can now just settle for points in every race

Sutton 310
Tingram 271

Hill 260
Turkington 229

[pimmy]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

Someone is going to put Collard in the fence before long unless he stops his nonsense.

He needs therapy for his victim complex.

[Matt K]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

Someone is going to put Collard in the fence before long unless he stops his nonsense.

Yeah, from the beginning of the season he gets on my nerves more and more. Arrogant and immature.

Sensational drive from Sutton, very very well done. Great drives from Cook and Tingram as well. Hill will want to forget about that race though, ugly move on Jelley but in fairness he probably locked the brakes and couldn't do anything about it.

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

BMW's are out of it Tingram only theoretical ones, it would require some huge bad luck on Sutton's part , he can now just settle for points in every race

Sutton 310
Tingram 271

Hill 260
Turkington 229

With at least 180 points available to the end of the season, it is impossible to write off any of the top contenders. If things are anything like today, then absolutely possible; never count chickens until they are hatched.

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

Someone is going to put Collard in the fence before long unless he stops his nonsense.

Best bit was all the light flashing after his own mistake launched him off at turn one. And somehow he’s 8th or something in the standings?

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by Matt K

Yeah, from the beginning of the season he gets on my nerves more and more. Arrogant and immature.

The interview with him on the grid pretty well sums it all up; his dad said to Louse that he had told him not to try to get into a battle with Sutton and just let him get past and then capitalise on following him up the order. His outburst to Louise was to basically ignore anything that his father had said.

He's a very angry young chap, seemingly with a huge chip on his shoulder; I wouldn't call him a man, yet!

[Jon411]

As a WSR supporter that was a pretty painful Race 3 to watch but some great driving up front.

I know we mentioned it at Croft, but once again the BMW was pretty much the slowest car over the start finish line and 3 mph down on last year based on qualifying, that could really be a problem for them in the next few races, especially Silverstone.

[pimmy]

A good day of racing, from what little of it was actually shown. It always amazes me how relatively few incidents there are in wet races, you'd think far more mistakes would be made than that.

ITV seriously need to give some respect to the support package. This weekend we saw:

F4 - 1 of 3 races
Minis - 1 of 3 races
Porsches - 1 in full and a few laps of the other
Legends - 2 of 6 races

These series are paying a premium to be on the package, and for what? Worse coverage than a lot of club racing gets. No doubt the apologists will proclaim it as wonderful.