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View Poll Results: Which driver is going to win the VASC Driver’s Championship In 2018? | |||
#1 Jamie Whincup RBHRT Holden | 6 | 14.63% | |
#2 Scott Pye WAU Holden | 1 | 2.44% | |
#5 Mark Winterbottom Tickford Ford | 0 | 0% | |
#6 Cameron Waters Tickford Ford | 1 | 2.44% | |
#7 Andre Heimgartner NisMoAu Nissan | 0 | 0% | |
#8 Nick Percat BJR Holden | 0 | 0% | |
#9 David Reynolds Erebus Holden | 1 | 2.44% | |
#12 Fabian Coulthard DJRTP Ford | 1 | 2.44% | |
#14 Tim Slade BJR Holden | 0 | 0% | |
#15 Rick Kelly NisMoAu Nissan | 0 | 0% | |
#17 Scott McLaughlin DJRTP Ford | 22 | 53.66% | |
#18 Lee Holdsworth Team18 Holden | 0 | 0% | |
#19 Jack Le Brocq Tekno Holden | 0 | 0% | |
#21 Tim Blanchard TBR Holden | 0 | 0% | |
#23 Michael Caruso NisMoAu Nissan | 0 | 0% | |
#25 James Courtney WAU Holden | 1 | 2.44% | |
#33 Garth Tander GRM Holden | 0 | 0% | |
#34 James Golding GRM Holden | 0 | 0% | |
#35 Todd Hazelwood MSR Ford | 0 | 0% | |
#55 Chaz Mostert Tickford Ford | 4 | 9.76% | |
#56 Richie Stanaway Tickford Ford | 1 | 2.44% | |
#78 Simona de Silvestro NisMoAu Nissan | 0 | 0% | |
#97 Shane van Gisbergen RBHRT Holden | 2 | 4.88% | |
#99 Anton de Pasquale Erebus Holden | 1 | 2.44% | |
#230 Will Davison 23RED Ford | 0 | 0% | |
#888 Craig Lowndes ALR Holden | 0 | 0% | |
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29 Mar 2017, 15:03 (Ref:3722444) | #176 | |
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It will be a cost-cutting measure for the teams that do their own engine work.
So PRA, DJRTP and WR, for example. |
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29 Mar 2017, 15:04 (Ref:3722446) | #177 | |
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Perhaps the SvG chat belongs in the SvG thread?
Oh wait, it was locked because emotions got in the way of intelligence... |
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29 Mar 2017, 19:04 (Ref:3722478) | #178 | |
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I remember talking to Mr Noonan about current speedway engines and the conversation ended up "what if the sprint car motor was the supercar motor?". His words - "cheaper, lighter, more horsepower".
But, and it's a big but, would manufacturers be happy running chevs? Or would fans enjoy a manufacturerless series? |
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29 Mar 2017, 19:54 (Ref:3722489) | #179 | ||
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The "cheaper" part of "cheaper, lighter, and more horsepower" is what the new rules are supposed to be about, so why are they not going that way? The current car was supposed to have been cheaper to build than the previous one, and repair, but it turns out it's a fair bit more costly. Will the next generation be even more expensive? The people that support "Holden", "Ford", "Nissan", etc because "I've always been a Holden man" is completely outdated - the race cars have nothing in common with the road cars except the lights and bonnet badge. I laughed at a guy at work 2 year ago when he proudly announced to us that on the weekend he'd bought a brand new Commodore SS because it'd won Bathurst the weekend prior. |
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29 Mar 2017, 20:39 (Ref:3722496) | #180 | ||
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You mean a speedway engine that operates without a clutch, that runs its accelerator as the handling device, one that doesnt have the stresses & strains of changing up & down a gearbox, and the stresses & loads that brings, plus the need for linearity of power delivery to pull smoothly out of corners without wheelspin? Plus the need to last 1,000km, and maintain a working temperature all day, from safety car slowness, to stop & start on a starter motor at pitstops...
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29 Mar 2017, 21:48 (Ref:3722501) | #181 | ||
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Properly quick 372 is six figures without breaking a sweat anyway so it isn't like bulk savings are to be had running methanol, and it beings it's own caveats too.
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29 Mar 2017, 22:20 (Ref:3722503) | #182 | |
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Sprintcar motors are designed around working under very different circumstances.
They're cheaper, because there's a much larger market for them. However, they are not the answer for Supercars. |
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29 Mar 2017, 22:41 (Ref:3722504) | #183 | ||
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The others then get forced to purchase engines with exuberant profits thrown on top, money potentially going to the competition, not to mention the ongoing costs of paying someone for rebuilds and track support. Last edited by Ospi; 29 Mar 2017 at 22:48. |
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Teams defending their self-interest will always be a drag on attempts to reduce overall costs of competition. Look at F1 for example. The bigger teams have literally pushed smaller teams to the wall, and Supercars is not that far off. Quote:
Regardless, if someone has an issue buying from 888, they can buy from DJRTP, or Nismo. So it will sort itself out either way. |
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30 Mar 2017, 00:06 (Ref:3722521) | #185 | ||
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30 Mar 2017, 00:20 (Ref:3722522) | #186 | |
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Other teams, or companies could have submitted for tender their wares.
In many cases, Supercars themselves had to actively pursue suppliers for various things as nobody had come forward. Triple Eight won the tender for the two variations of the control pedal box. That's it. They are, however, an approved supplier of various other control design components, such as the prop shaft, centre bearing components, clutch assembly, and dampers. Teams are able to purchase these items from other approved suppliers as well, such as Albins, GRM, Supashock, etc. |
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30 Mar 2017, 00:29 (Ref:3722524) | #187 | |
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Obviously others could have submitted any won, nine of that is the point, the point is it costs a lot of money to purchase items from other teams, including engines. It certainly costs more to purchase an engine from a supplier than to manufacture it yourself and in order to remain competitive with other manufacturers, the ongoing development costs will also be passed on when wishing to purchase latest spec parts. There's money to be saved in the initial development of the engine but the ongoing costs thereafter are higher, not lower for those wishing to remain competitive with up to date packages.
If the series had a single spec engine for everyone then yes costs would be lowered but as long as there's competition between manufactures then even with 3 engine packages in rotation, the costs associated with keeping up with the competition will be high, and they'll be passed down to those who run them, with some profit thrown on top. That's not really my main concern though, it would be okay if that money was at least staying within the series but instead it looks ever more likely that all this knowledge, development and costs will be leaving our shores. Would be a real shame. |
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There is obviously a large infrastructure built up around engine development inside teams and outside, and all of these people are going to naturally resist business being taken from them, and some indeed will have to seek alternative employment - but I am not sure the current situation is sustainable in any case. |
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More dead than SVG's career if he had stayed with Betty? |
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30 Mar 2017, 02:46 (Ref:3722536) | #190 | ||
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Why would his career have been dead, Betty gave him a link to gt3 so that part of his career would ahev gone ahead. Still would ahve been in supercars and things may have been differrent if he didnt leave Last edited by peckstar; 30 Mar 2017 at 02:58. |
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30 Mar 2017, 02:53 (Ref:3722538) | #191 | ||
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Sorry that we're going over old ground with this but for me the change in ownership and brand was enough to trigger a release clause in the contract, but as we know, Ross Stone held onto the #9 REC and stayed on board specifically so that clause didn't get triggered.
So complying with a contract on pure technical terms like that with a driver never ends well. |
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30 Mar 2017, 04:16 (Ref:3722542) | #192 | ||
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The point about GT racing is valid but history shows the Erebus AMG supercar venture was a failure.
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Economies of scale would surely come into effect |
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SVG is with REDBULL,
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30 Mar 2017, 06:33 (Ref:3722555) | #196 | ||
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I doubt you could place these days with an engine under $70k and have heard when the superstars come out there are guys running around with $150k engines. Like anything where there are not limits... |
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Well said Peckstar, why should people do that. It wont happen, I don't really care, a lot of Holden and Ford people are annoyed with how he went about 2012. Anyway enough of him.
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