Brabham BT35 - Page 8

Chris Townsend · 14 Apr 2006, 09:42 (Ref:1581090)

Bob

Does Bobby Brown have a log book for BT35-10?
This car should have CASC plate 512 on it somewhere - it was known in Colorado club racing in 1988 but that's as far back as I go on it.

If Brian Robertson's been as good in keeping his Brabham records as he was with Ralts we're in for a tough time. I'd suggest that we're better off pestering Opert to open his vaults for USA sales and doing the Canadians by a process of elimination!

Chris

Bryan Miller · 14 Apr 2006, 10:16 (Ref:1581113)

Chris,
BT35-10 is the car that was offered on ebay about 18 months ago , PHDM sent me a lot of photos after it had been deleted from the site, from memory , as I telephoned the agent , the car was somewhere in the Rocky Mtns at that time.
Lost track of it now.
Bryan.

Bob Slusher · 14 Apr 2006, 14:46 (Ref:1582245)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

Bob

Does Bobby Brown have a log book for BT35-10?
This car should have CASC plate 512 on it somewhere - it was known in Colorado club racing in 1988 but that's as far back as I go on it.

If Brian Robertson's been as good in keeping his Brabham records as he was with Ralts we're in for a tough time. I'd suggest that we're better off pestering Opert to open his vaults for USA sales and doing the Canadians by a process of elimination!

Chris

Chris:

I forwarded your comments and request onto Bobby Brown and also requested the contact number for Fred Opert in the hope that one of us could chat him up and perhaps prime the information pump.

Bob

Bob Slusher · 15 Apr 2006, 14:25 (Ref:1582871)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

Bob

Does Bobby Brown have a log book for BT35-10?
This car should have CASC plate 512 on it somewhere - it was known in Colorado club racing in 1988 but that's as far back as I go on it.

Chris

Chris:

Mr. Brown thanks you as he did find the CASC plate #512 in the car as you directed. He did not mention a log book but did note that the car is now for sale.

Bob

Alan Brown · 19 Apr 2006, 07:13 (Ref:1588351)

This car seems to have gone from Jim Campbell (1978 Scottish champion) to Chris Dowson for 1979.

Ted Walker · 19 Apr 2006, 07:36 (Ref:1588366)

BT35-44 Was the Mickel hill climb car fitted with FVC and FT200 G box.It was owned for a long time by the late Fred Edwards.

Alan Brown · 19 Apr 2006, 10:05 (Ref:1588482)

Did Peter Kaye have two BT35s? I have him in BT35-23 in 1976 at Shelsley Walsh and Gurston Down. Appoarently he had BT35X-1 in 1977.

Steve Wilkinson · 19 Apr 2006, 11:43 (Ref:1588580)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Brown

Did Peter Kaye have two BT35s? I have him in BT35-23 in 1976 at Shelsley Walsh and Gurston Down. Appoarently he had BT35X-1 in 1977.

According to 'the black book' Kaye ran a BT35 in 1976 which became a BT35X in 1977.

Peter Kaye in 1976 at Harewood.

Chris Townsend · 21 Apr 2006, 08:09 (Ref:1590554)

If Kaye had BT35-23 in 1976 what was its provenance?
Did it have a BDA in it?
Is this the ex Marsland car, last seen sprinting in 1972?
Is it perhaps the BT35-BDA that crops up in Irish Atlantic in 1974 and then
disappears again
[Could be both!]

Chris

allenbrown · 21 Apr 2006, 08:41 (Ref:1590570)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Brown

Did Peter Kaye have two BT35s? I have him in BT35-23 in 1976 at Shelsley Walsh and Gurston Down. Appoarently he had BT35X-1 in 1977.

Thanks for these identifications Alan. Despite the stress you're causing Chris, they are very helpful and most welcome

Peter Kaye had BT35X/1 since 1974 (co-driven with Robert Sunderland 1974/75) says David, so is it possible that BT35X/1 actually carried the plate BT35/23?

Allen

Steve Wilkinson · 21 Apr 2006, 09:51 (Ref:1590653)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

If Kaye had BT35-23 in 1976 what was its provenance?
Did it have a BDA in it?
Is this the ex Marsland car, last seen sprinting in 1972?
Is it perhaps the BT35-BDA that crops up in Irish Atlantic in 1974 and then
disappears again
[Could be both!]

Chris

It was entered as a BDA engine in '76.

Andrew Fellowes · 25 Apr 2006, 21:35 (Ref:1594942)

1971 A/S Oct 28th p.59 BT35 Jorge Pinhol 3,200. Norma Robb 01 908 2808 day, John Stanton, Marlow 3870 evenings.

1972 A/S Feb 17th p.42 BT35, Jorge Pinhol, Low Cost Racing

Not sure if we've had both of these before.

Bryan Miller · 6 May 2006, 09:22 (Ref:1601624)

Over at the '' other place '' is a loveeerly photo of the two BT35's of Torsten Palm and Stig Blomqvist complete with their Mennen sponsored transporter.

Bryan.

**John Turner** · 8 May 2006, 13:31 (Ref:1603357)

Bryan, please post the link; it's relevant here (and I can't find it!).

In the meantime, Keith Norman's BT35 at Brands Hatch Superprix, 7 May, 2006:-

Andrew Fellowes · 8 May 2006, 21:51 (Ref:1603762)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan Miller

Over at the '' other place '' is a loveeerly photo of the two BT35's of Torsten Palm and Stig Blomqvist complete with their Mennen sponsored transporter.

http://forums.autosport.com/showthre...95#post2352495
Post no.293

Henk has come up with lots of great photos, here as well,
http://forums.autosport.com/showthre...&pagenumber=33
Post 1298 onwards

Bryan Miller · 8 May 2006, 22:30 (Ref:1603790)

Thanks Andrew , only you know how bad I am with computers.

**John Turner** · 8 May 2006, 22:59 (Ref:1603804)

Peter Shaw's BT35, Brands Hatch Superprix, 7 May, 2006

Andrew Fellowes · 10 May 2006, 05:44 (Ref:1604783)

Get ready John 'cause I am going to get picky again!!. I would love to see the UK ban modern advertising as is done here in Oz. Spoils the look of the car.

If the above car is BT35-6 as I assume it is, then the colour is wrong too. Bryan shouldn't it be the same as your car? (BT35-8 as on the r.h.s. in this photo.)

Eastern Creek 2003 and I wish I had a close up as all the signage is as per Mallory in '72.

Bryan Miller · 10 May 2006, 07:15 (Ref:1604827)

Andrew,
That is the purist in you coming out.
Yes I believe BT35-6 was very similar in colour to BT35-8.
As you know over here it is not mandatory to present your car in one of the cars period livery , it should be , but that is only my own opinion , I dislike nothing more than seeing a'' flock ''of Brabhams all painted dark green with a yellow stripe, amazes me as much as every Lotus 23 seems to be green with yellow wheels.
Bryan.

**John Turner** · 10 May 2006, 08:55 (Ref:1604895)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Fellowes

Get ready John 'cause I am going to get picky again!!. I would love to see the UK ban modern advertising as is done here in Oz. Spoils the look of the car.

Hey, I'm just the illustrator! As we've said on another thread (BT30), we need to get the 'modern' history right, too, as history is continuous. The new livery is part of that history, and whether that spoils the looks is an opinion based on how you remember them. I don't necessarily disagree with you or Bryan, but I think this is an area where we factually point to the differences rather than express a critical opinion. I'm just hoping that Neil Glover (BT30), for example, is not put off from joining us and posting as a result of your remark, Andrew. The argument for originality of liveries, or the acceptability or otherwise of more recent ones would be a good thread to start in either of our history forums, but not, I think, here!

Andrew Fellowes · 13 May 2006, 02:09 (Ref:1607497)

Ok colour schemes aside, sorry Neil, not your fault if thats what the rules allow in Europe.

1. How many BT35’s were built in 1972?

2. How many went to Italy?

In 1971 I can only find one, Andrea Zucchi at Monza Sept. 19th. The following year at Monza there were several BT35’s. Where did they come from, 2nd hand ex UK, or new?

1972 A/S March 16th p.2 Adelmo Bignami. Pino Pica, Alessandro Pesenti, Keiz Lange, Jurg Dubler.
1972 A/S April 27th you can add Carlo Giorgio and Pesenti Rossi.

Not sure if I have the last one correct but I don't have my Autosports to hand.

Ted Walker · 13 May 2006, 07:45 (Ref:1607673)

NO Bt35s were built in 1972 Certainly the last batch appear to have gone to Italy mainly for Jolly Club. I have Nos 45-49 going there.Not sure about 47-9 but am sure about 45-6

Chris Townsend · 13 May 2006, 08:52 (Ref:1607736)

If Bob Gerard's BT35-43 doesn't appear until October, that would suggest that the Jolly Club cars were delivered after the end of the Italian season and therefore not seen until 1972.

Chris

Bryan Miller · 13 May 2006, 10:12 (Ref:1607795)

Ted,
I beg to differ that no BT35's were built in 1972 .
Refer my post # 41 this thread re the Mickel car BT35-44 , ''new for the hills in 1972 '' , and also the letter supplied by Ian Henderson of the U.S.A. signed by Ralph Bellamy stating the roll-over bars on 5 cars coplied with the 1972 FIA regulations, post # 76.

Also BT35-47 has a 1972 AM number.

Or are you suggesting these were laid down in late 1971 and given 1972 AM numbers.
Bryan.

Ted Walker · 13 May 2006, 16:13 (Ref:1608727)

Bryan. Im amazed that 35-47 has an am72 No. Have you seen it inthe flesh ???? 35-44 has an 71 No.It goes to show that you learn something new every day. The regs for 72 would have been published in 1971,giving constructors 12 months notice.

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