2023 Argentine Touring Car Series - Page 8

NaBUru38 · 7 Aug 2023, 18:32 (Ref:4171805)

TC Pick Up - La Plata 7 race:

Juan Pablo Gianini (Ford)
Gastón Mazzacane (Volkswagen)
José Manuel Urcera (Toyota)
Mariano Werner (Toyota)
Guillermo Ortelli (Volkswagen)
Marcos Quijada (Ford)

TC Pick Up - standings after La Plata 7:

Diego Ciantini (Volkswagen), 301 pts
Juan Pablo Gianini (Ford), 283
Mariano Werner (Toyota), 272
Omar Martinez (Ford), 253.5
Agustin Martinez (Ford), 245
Gastón Mazzacane (Volkswagen), 229.5
Marcos Quijada (Ford), 217
José Manuel Urcera (Toyota), 215.5
Andrés Jakos (Toyota), 212
Matias Rodriguez (Toyota), 208.5
Nicolás Pezzucchi (Nissan), 200.5
Juan Martin Trucco (Volkswagen), 199.5

Next round is on September 10, also at La Plata.

TuteZaek · 22 Aug 2023, 16:37 (Ref:4173655)

How to rebuild a TC Camry in a night of work, Ft Dole Racing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-oFd72wvUQ

NaBUru38 · 22 Aug 2023, 17:00 (Ref:4173662)

Turismo Carretera - standings after Buenos Aires:

Mariano Werner (Ford), 281.5
Julián Santero (Ford), 270.5
Mauricio Lambiris (Ford), 266
Jonatan Castellano (Dodge), 259
Marcos Landa (Torino), 230.5
Santiago Mangoni (Chevrolet), 222.5
Germán Todino (Dodge), 220.5
Valentin Aguirre (Dodge), 219
José Manuel Urcera (Torino), 214.5
Juan Catalán Magni (Ford), 213.5
Gastón Mazzacane (Chevrolet), 212.5
Matias Rossi (Toyota), 185

Next round is on September 17 at San Luis.

uesugi kenshin · 22 Aug 2023, 19:21 (Ref:4173696)

A crazy TC race completely dominated by Dodge's ( well until about half of them crashed !!)

TuteZaek · 23 Aug 2023, 13:06 (Ref:4173748)

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Originally Posted by uesugi kenshin

A crazy TC race completely dominated by Dodge's ( well until about half of them crashed !!)

On the 12, high speed stability and cornering (the Dodge "sauce") is the name of the game.

The TN will race there... it will be a bloodbath

NaBUru38 · 24 Aug 2023, 16:45 (Ref:4173852)

Hopefully just wrecks...

uesugi kenshin · 26 Aug 2023, 10:12 (Ref:4174003)

Is there any news on the Toprace v8? the other series are busy with new cars for next year but Toprace seem very quite.

TuteZaek · 26 Aug 2023, 12:18 (Ref:4174021)

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Originally Posted by uesugi kenshin

Is there any news on the Toprace v8? the other series are busy with new cars for next year but Toprace seem very quite.

The TR has a big problem in the fact that the same owners are trying to change the TC2000, which is a bigger series that has more impact than the TR

The prototype is there tho.

uesugi kenshin · 26 Aug 2023, 17:24 (Ref:4174058)

To me Toprace really seems to lack an clear identity, would it be better to merge it with TC2000 and form a really strong touring car series or even a new single seater series.

**FIRE** · 26 Aug 2023, 17:31 (Ref:4174061)

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Originally Posted by uesugi kenshin

To me Toprace really seems to lack an clear identity, would it be better to merge it with TC2000 and form a really strong touring car series or even a new single seater series.

Isn't TR mainly for gentlemen drivers?
The series doesn't interest me.

TuteZaek · 27 Aug 2023, 13:11 (Ref:4174169)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

Isn't TR mainly for gentlemen drivers?
The series doesn't interest me.

Originally it was the series to fill the weekends of TC and TC2000 drivers that didn't want to do TN, it worked amazingly well for a time, nowadays the TN has a lot of interest from drivers and TR mostly goes for the drivers that, while amazingly good, can't seem to get a stable foot on the other series of the country, like Josito Di Palma

IMHO, the TR should reformulate itself in a big powerful formula (pun not intended) instead of trying to compete in Touring Car Country against the popular TN, Big Brother TC2000 and the TC that is capable of anouncing a renovation one day and have the cars built in the next month while having 50 cars in track (and said renovation being the same concept that the TR has been anouncing for years)

uesugi kenshin · 27 Aug 2023, 20:24 (Ref:4174269)

I saw both Formula nacional and F3 metropolitana are racing with designs that are 20 years old !

TuteZaek · 27 Aug 2023, 22:28 (Ref:4174297)

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Originally Posted by uesugi kenshin

I saw both Formula nacional and F3 metropolitana are racing with designs that are 20 years old !

Today, with the TC Mouras, and alongside the Formula 3 Metro,some of the regional formulae raced in la plata, including the Formula 5 (that uses bike engines) and Formula 1300 (the one with the old designs)

The cars of the Formula 1300

(thinking better, yeah, the Crespi Tulia 25 and the TITO of the FN are 20 year old designs, modernized and with the halos added, but being low power formulas and with a proven safety record, there is not much to change)

NaBUru38 · 28 Aug 2023, 17:55 (Ref:4174416)

The new TC models are what the Top Race should have become.

TuteZaek · 29 Aug 2023, 16:50 (Ref:4174527)

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Originally Posted by NaBUru38

The new TC models are what the Top Race should have become.

The Top Race anounced changing to the "muscle cars" years ago, never happened

**FIRE** · 29 Aug 2023, 17:22 (Ref:4174530)

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Originally Posted by TuteZaek

The Top Race anounced changing to the "muscle cars" years ago, never happened

And now it looks like TC is doing that.

NaBUru38 · 30 Aug 2023, 14:31 (Ref:4174603)

The TC2000 will run the 200 km de Buenos Aires on October 8.

Honda has announced its pairings:

Facundo Ardusso / Ricardo Risatti
Bernardo Llaver / Santiago Urrutia
Javier Scuncio Moro / Martin Scuncio Moro

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Originally Posted by NaBUru38

Next round is on September 10 at Resistencia.

Last Friday, the race was announced to be held instead at 9 de Julio. The series had last visited the track in 2015.

NaBUru38 · 30 Aug 2023, 14:42 (Ref:4174605)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

Isn't TR mainly for gentlemen drivers?
The series doesn't interest me.

The 2009 season featured regular drivers Pechito López, Pato Silva, Norberto Fontana, Agustin Canapino, Matias Rossi, Gabriel Furlán, Omar Martinez, Marcos di Palma, Juan de Benedictis, Guido Falaschi, Mariano Altuna and Diego Aventin, plus guest drivers Jacques Villeneuve, Cacá Bueno, Beto Monteiro, Leonel Pernia and Néstor Girolami.

The 2013 season still featured López, Silva, Fontana, Canapino , Ponce de León, DI Palma and De Benedictis, plus newcomers like Ardusso.

**FIRE** · 1 Sep 2023, 14:25 (Ref:4174777)

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Originally Posted by NaBUru38

The 2009 season featured regular drivers Pechito López, Pato Silva, Norberto Fontana, Agustin Canapino, Matias Rossi, Gabriel Furlán, Omar Martinez, Marcos di Palma, Juan de Benedictis, Guido Falaschi, Mariano Altuna and Diego Aventin, plus guest drivers Jacques Villeneuve, Cacá Bueno, Beto Monteiro, Leonel Pernia and Néstor Girolami.

The 2013 season still featured López, Silva, Fontana, Canapino , Ponce de León, DI Palma and De Benedictis, plus newcomers like Ardusso.

That's 10 years ago.

uesugi kenshin · 2 Sep 2023, 14:07 (Ref:4174880)

The top drivers now race TC, Pickups and TN, which has kind of killed interest in both TC2000 and Toprace.

NaBUru38 · 4 Sep 2023, 18:12 (Ref:4175197)

The TN doesn't have nearly all top drivers.

Missing are Rossi, Ledesma, Ardusso, Di Palma, Landa, Mangoni, Todino and Aguirre among others.

uesugi kenshin · 9 Sep 2023, 09:56 (Ref:4175790)

Could Jorge Barrio jump straight from Mouras to TC or will he need to do TCPista next season?

TuteZaek · 10 Sep 2023, 12:25 (Ref:4176029)

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Originally Posted by uesugi kenshin

Could Jorge Barrio jump straight from Mouras to TC or will he need to do TCPista next season?

If Barrio ends winning the championship, will get the licencse for the TC, but still needs to race a year of TCP per the rules.

Nothing to severe, considering Santero, Landa, Quijada, Catalan Magni and Todino, all currently fighting the championship, went that route.

uesugi kenshin · 10 Sep 2023, 15:48 (Ref:4176060)

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Originally Posted by TuteZaek

If Barrio ends winning the championship, will get the licencse for the TC, but still needs to race a year of TCP per the rules.

Nothing to severe, considering Santero, Landa, Quijada, Catalan Magni and Todino, all currently fighting the championship, went that route.

Thanks for that.
They never seem to let Facundo Chapur into Tc, does he not qualify for a licence?

TuteZaek · 11 Sep 2023, 13:46 (Ref:4176277)

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Originally Posted by uesugi kenshin

Thanks for that.
They never seem to let Facundo Chapur into Tc, does he not qualify for a licence?

The TC license goes for:
The TC Mouras champion after a year on TCP
The TCP Champion and the 2nd
The TC Pista Pick Up (Seriously, ACTC... your naming conventions suck) Champion and 2nd get to race on TC Pick Up and TC Pista, but... if they're already racing on TCP and on the first 10 places there, they get to get to go to TC
Drivers that have at least/arround 100 Races between TCP and TCPK, but conditionally, as the ACTC will use the first 5 meetings on the TC to evaluate them, and they could revoke the license.
And finally, the ACTC reserves the right to ascend anyone provided the driver is ranked in TC Pista, evaluating the history of races, victories and disciplinary background during the last 2 years

All of this was clarified/written as rules because Chapur last year.

If everything goes well Chapur should enter TC next year one way or another

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