[iV8SC13R06,R07,R08.R09] ITM 400, Pukekohe NZ: 12-14 Apr

[DV_08]

Originally Posted by FAS33

I didn't like it, glad we moved away from that. comparing rules from last century is like comparing Whincup to Peter Brock.

No one here has ever done that

Originally Posted by chavez

Over what period of time?

Certainly what passed as a racing incident during the first year of the V8 formula in 1993 would now result in a penalty.

But getting back to the weekends racing.

Whincup hits Frosty resulting in Frosty's retirement from the race. Whincup Losses 15 Championship points

Premat runs Webb off the road. Webb losses places but continues in the race. Premat also loses 15 Championship points.

Either Whincup got off lightly or Premat was harshly done by.

Two instances of careless driving - one results in a DNF the other a loss of places, yet both guilty parties receive the same penalty.

I'm lost on this standard 15 point penalty, I could understand it for an incident such as Premats in which the other driver could a small amount of time or a maybe 1 or 2 spots. But for something that turns around another car or causes large amounts of damage surely the equivalent of a drive through penalty is appropriate. Just as a side note I believe the penalties in 1993 generally involved fines and or having to start at the rear for the next race.

[chavez]

I should correct my post above - of course Frosty didn't retire after Whincup hit him but lost significant time in the pits for repairs.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by DV_08

No one here has ever done that


I'm lost on this standard 15 point penalty, I could understand it for an incident such as Premats in which the other driver could a small amount of time or a maybe 1 or 2 spots. But for something that turns around another car or causes large amounts of damage surely the equivalent of a drive through penalty is appropriate. Just as a side note I believe the penalties in 1993 generally involved fines and or having to start at the rear for the next race.

I too am lost with the standard penalty of what was 15 points onthe weekend. Depends on where you finished and what that actually means.

It can put you back from 1st to 4th or it can put you back from last to last

[Matt]

Originally Posted by peckstar

The same fans that went to bathurst to get smashed loved it.

those that were into motorsport didnt. thus rules were created

I'm definitely into motorsport and I preferred it that way.

[Umai Naa]

Originally Posted by Matt

I'm definitely into motorsport and I preferred it that way.

Likewise.

[peckstar]

so what you are saying is you both just prefer cars taking each other out to make a position. That doesnt sound like your into motorsport to me, sounds like you are into crashes

[Umai Naa]

Great assumption, based on the facts at hand.

All we've said is that we preferred how it was back in the early 90's, when it was ok to have a go, and make a pass with your elbows out.

Like I said a page or so back, if someone gets speared off the track or turned around, hand out a penalty. But don't penalise if there's a bit of paint (well vinyl these days) exchanged.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Great assumption, based on the facts at hand.

All we've said is that we preferred how it was back in the early 90's, when it was ok to have a go, and make a pass with your elbows out.

Like I said a page or so back, if someone gets speared off the track or turned around, hand out a penalty. But don't penalise if there's a bit of paint (well vinyl these days) exchanged.

thats what they are doing though.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by peckstar

thats what they are doing though.

They'll get a penalty if they give someone a nudge from behind into a corner. Which is ridiculous.

[Bell_End]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

You're right, WEC isn't for people who enjoy ad's.

I however, do not.

was yawning at your post not the WEC..

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by Bell_End

was yawning at your post not the WEC..

If you cant handle the truth, please add me to your ignore list, because thats all i deal in

[Bell_End]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

If you cant handle the truth, please add me to your ignore list, because thats all i deal in

yeah ok pal.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by Bell_End

yeah ok pal.

I'll save you the trouble

[Bell_End]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

I'll save you the trouble

you are too kind.

[FAS33]

Originally Posted by peckstar

so what you are saying is you both just prefer cars taking each other out to make a position. That doesnt sound like your into motorsport to me, sounds like you are into crashes

the whole crash and bash into each other, sounds like Entertainment to me. but you need a bit of that, just not to let things go too far.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by FAS33

the whole crash and bash into each other, sounds like Entertainment to me. but you need a bit of that

Crashing and bashing into eachother might be entertainment in some quarters, but it is not motor racing

Abit of gentle rubbing whilst battling over a position is acceptable to a point as long as no one is disadvantaged, but any nose-to-tail contact forcing another car offline, or running into the side of a competitor and using him as your brakes, is quite frankly rubbish to watch, to an enthusiast like me anyway....

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by one five five

Crashing and bashing into eachother might be entertainment in some quarters, but it is not motor racing

Abit of gentle rubbing whilst battling over a position is acceptable to a point as long as no one is disadvantaged, but any nose-to-tail contact forcing another car offline, or running into the side of a competitor and using him as your brakes, is quite frankly rubbish to watch, to an enthusiast like me anyway....

I agree with this, which is why its a joke that frosty could punt whincup off at sandown and all is well, but whincup couldn't return serve. Either allow it for everyone, or ban it for everyone!

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

I agree with this, which is why its a joke that frosty could punt whincup off at sandown and all is well, but whincup couldn't return serve. Either allow it for everyone, or ban it for everyone!

when did Frosty punt whincup off at sandown?

and even if he did punt him off when has Whincup not been allowed to return serve?

[FAS33]

Originally Posted by one five five

Crashing and bashing into eachother might be entertainment in some quarters, but it is not motor racing

Abit of gentle rubbing whilst battling over a position is acceptable to a point as long as no one is disadvantaged, but any nose-to-tail contact forcing another car offline, or running into the side of a competitor and using him as your brakes, is quite frankly rubbish to watch, to an enthusiast like me anyway....

I was agreeing with Peckstar. many people wouldn't give a crap about all these rules and regulations that confuse casual fans, alot of racing series will be catered for fans that like to see Entertainment, if you wanna see that sort of racing you gotta watch the V8 touring Masters or the Production series, but nobody watches them, although the oldies would be into the Masters series, they aren't popular and for good reason.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Bell_End

was yawning at your post not the WEC..

the best thing about stealthy is he runs away and hides because he lacks any conviction in his opinions. You challenge him and he gets all confused and then blocks you.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by FAS33

I was agreeing with Peckstar. many people wouldn't give a crap about all these rules and regulations that confuse casual fans, alot of racing series will be catered for fans that like to see Entertainment, if you wanna see that sort of racing you gotta watch the V8 touring Masters or the Production series, but nobody watches them, although the oldies would be into the Masters series, they aren't popular and for good reason.

There is far less 'crashing and bashing' in TCM and the Australian Manufacturers Championship races compared to V8Supercar races

[Matt]

Originally Posted by one five five

There is far less 'crashing and bashing' in TCM and the Australian Manufacturers Championship races compared to V8Supercar races

Thats what he was saying.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Nice exchange between Mr Winterbottom & Mr A. Davison in the pit garage after qualifying!

Hope it makes it to Youtube soon..

Mr Winterbottom's parting remarks.. after being told by Mr A.Davison that he was blocked on a lap too... it went Something along the lines of "... Doesn't matter, you're slow anyway.."






Then Larko is on the grid with Mr A.Davison, who spoke of Mr Davison's desire to have the chat 'out the back', and Larko asks whether he wanted them to have a chat, or to thump him... From A.Davo.. 'Both'





Threats..

BTSID??

Took a while...but... Here



Seems to have a few more 'bleeps' in it than I recall the live broadcast showing too

[JHamilton]

I just watched the event today and thought it was fantastic. I haven't seen that track before but that place is awesome. I'm also glad the drama doesn't make it over here... just racing.

A couple of thoughts: I wish there was an additional barrier in the runoff area or they made the drivers come to a full stop rather than to have to decide where to rejoin. Also, I don't like the time penalty being assessed after the race for the false start. This can lead to a driver affecting the race for a position he is not contesting. Assess the penalty during the race.

[Axeman444]

Originally Posted by JHamilton

Also, I don't like the time penalty being assessed after the race for the false start. This can lead to a driver affecting the race for a position he is not contesting. Assess the penalty during the race.

agreed, whats stopping someone starting early and in clear air pulling a 10 sec gap, like what happened on the GC couple of years ago, and then any penalty is redundant