Massa losing Ferrari drive?

[herowassenna]

Originally Posted by Iron Ripper

Now we will never know if Massa has been a really fast or just decent driver. Everything that goes from now on, he could blame on that crash he had last year. And I'm not saying that I could blame him if the conclusion ever rises = Alonso-superior/Massa-inferior.

Let's get some direction here...
Massa is a really fast driver still. It's just he's up against a driver that Schumacher couldn't beat in 2005 or 2006. Alonso is a stunning driver.
Bahrain 2010, Massa outqualified Alonso. He was over taken at the first corner and he's not being anywhere since.
Everyone seems to want to insinuate Alonso isn't anything special, that Massa would be comparable.
The Alonso "haters" will always say it's the accident. They will never give him credit.
All great talents mould a team around them. they motivate in private and on the track.
Alonso is special. Massa is a fast driver.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by RF_Racer

You moron! Schumacher could not beat Alonso in 2005 because Ferrari was a dog and the bridgestones were terrible! in 2006 Michael came very close, MS won 7 races that year, same as Alonso, a blown engine in Japan and Fisi cutting his tyre in Brazil ended all hopes for the 8th WC.

I find it amazing that people shoot their mouth off with out knowing facts.

The fact is Alonso won in both 2005 and 6 and Schumi didn't, however close he came to it or whether the Ferrari was a dog or not.

[JeremySmith]

Originally Posted by Marbot

Massa's safe IMO. He's the new Barrichello!

He is gone Scott, IMO..

[herowassenna]

Originally Posted by JeremySmith

He is gone Scott, IMO..

And so it seems, is Ferrari's 1 lead driver policy.
Kubica vs Alonso will be awesome, I can only imagine Alonso pressed the hurry up button because I can't imagine Ferrari would upset Alonso so early in their relationship. Maybe this is another way to keep Hamilton or Vettel out of Ferrari...
If this has been engineered, it would explain things, and possibly, why Massa is struggling now.
I wonder if Smedley would stay with Ferrari, or follow the little guy?

[Rick]

this should go down well on here!

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/


"What they need alongside is an uncomplicated, unpolitical but very fast driver to push him.
Kubica is certainly one option, but I wonder whether Webber might be another. This quote along with a few other things I heard privately in the last few weeks make me wonder whether Ferrari is tracking Webber as a possible candidate for Alonso’s team mate"

[Bononi]

Privately, that's a good one, Ferrari needs a new #2, Webber should fill that shoes...

[ECW Dan Selby]

Originally Posted by Rick

this should go down well on here!

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/


"What they need alongside is an uncomplicated, unpolitical but very fast driver to push him.
Kubica is certainly one option, but I wonder whether Webber might be another. This quote along with a few other things I heard privately in the last few weeks make me wonder whether Ferrari is tracking Webber as a possible candidate for Alonso’s team mate"

Well that's very interesting. I can't see the upside for Webber, though.

Selby

[GT6]

Webber is currently in the fastest car on the grid, why would he even consider going to be a support driver in the third fastest car on the grid, he wants to be world champion, and is already very rich so money is not the prime motivation. Kubica is however in a fast fading renault team he would jump at the chance.

[Marbot]

I suppose the other question is: Will Alonso want to play second best to Red Bull for a few more years?

Ferrari aren't exactly the team on the upswing at the moment are they.

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by GT6

Webber is currently in the fastest car on the grid, why would he even consider going to be a support driver in the third fastest car on the grid, he wants to be world champion, and is already very rich so money is not the prime motivation.

Don't forget that Mark's contract runs out at the end of this year, Red Bull only extended it by one year, maybe he is not in Red Bull's long term plans. A "step back" (if thats what we're calling it) to Ferrari is hardly a bad one.

I suppose the point i'm trying to make is, Mark may not want to leave, but he may have no say in the matter.

[ralf fan]

Webber is going to Renault

[Knowlesy]

Originally Posted by Bononi

Privately, that's a good one, Ferrari needs a new #2, Webber should fill that shoes...

What have you done?!?

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by Bononi

Privately, that's a good one, Ferrari needs a new #2, Webber should fill that shoes...

Best post ever.

Head explosion rating: 10.

[Iron Ripper]

We all should know that this is still a rumor. But talking about Webber's possible Ferrari drive, he's actually 33 years old, so how many more seasons does he have? I don't think it would be bad for him to get the seat in a Ferrari, especially being good friends with Alonso, the team's inner atmosphere would be much better for both.
For now, it seems one is clear - any more such races from Massa, and he's out.

[Bononi]

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

What have you done?!?

Originally Posted by Adam43

Best post ever.

Head explosion rating: 10.

Inflammatory post ! I deserve a warning

[manwell]

Why would Red Bull want to get rid of Webber?
Yes he only signed a 1 year contract, but if things go as they are at the moment i can see an extension of that at Red Bull.
Vettel and Webber push each other but also just as importantly they get along well enough.
Why for instance would they drop Webber for say Raikkonen, when there is a risk they would fight and squabble and ruin the dynamics of the team.
Vettel and Webber race hard but respect each other and they are close to equal on pole positions and wins each so far this season.
Why run the risk of ruining the dynamics of the team when your not going to get anyone who would fill the shoes and do a much better job.
I think they are perfect team-mates, and Red Bull would be silly to mess that up.

[herowassenna]

Originally Posted by manwell

Why would Red Bull want to get rid of Webber?
Yes he only signed a 1 year contract, but if things go as they are at the moment i can see an extension of that at Red Bull.
Vettel and Webber push each other but also just as importantly they get along well enough.
Why for instance would they drop Webber for say Raikkonen, when there is a risk they would fight and squabble and ruin the dynamics of the team.
Vettel and Webber race hard but respect each other and they are close to equal on pole positions and wins each so far this season.
Why run the risk of ruining the dynamics of the team when your not going to get anyone who would fill the shoes and do a much better job.
I think they are perfect team-mates, and Red Bull would be silly to mess that up.

That is of course if you rate Kimi....

[Rick]

Originally Posted by manwell

Why would Red Bull want to get rid of Webber?
Yes he only signed a 1 year contract, but if things go as they are at the moment i can see an extension of that at Red Bull.
Vettel and Webber push each other but also just as importantly they get along well enough.
Why for instance would they drop Webber for say Raikkonen, when there is a risk they would fight and squabble and ruin the dynamics of the team.
Vettel and Webber race hard but respect each other and they are close to equal on pole positions and wins each so far this season.
Why run the risk of ruining the dynamics of the team when your not going to get anyone who would fill the shoes and do a much better job.
I think they are perfect team-mates, and Red Bull would be silly to mess that up.

Helmut Marko doesn't look at things so logically ....

[Bononi]

Originally Posted by manwell

Why would Red Bull want to get rid of Webber?
Yes he only signed a 1 year contract, but if things go as they are at the moment i can see an extension of that at Red Bull.
Vettel and Webber push each other but also just as importantly they get along well enough.
Why for instance would they drop Webber for say Raikkonen, when there is a risk they would fight and squabble and ruin the dynamics of the team.
Vettel and Webber race hard but respect each other and they are close to equal on pole positions and wins each so far this season.
Why run the risk of ruining the dynamics of the team when your not going to get anyone who would fill the shoes and do a much better job.
I think they are perfect team-mates, and Red Bull would be silly to mess that up.

Let's wait to see which one of them will be WDC.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by manwell

Why would Red Bull want to get rid of Webber?
Yes he only signed a 1 year contract, but if things go as they are at the moment i can see an extension of that at Red Bull.
Vettel and Webber push each other but also just as importantly they get along well enough.
Why for instance would they drop Webber for say Raikkonen, when there is a risk they would fight and squabble and ruin the dynamics of the team.
Vettel and Webber race hard but respect each other and they are close to equal on pole positions and wins each so far this season.
Why run the risk of ruining the dynamics of the team when your not going to get anyone who would fill the shoes and do a much better job.
I think they are perfect team-mates, and Red Bull would be silly to mess that up.

Well said!

I think this is probably the best ever team in F1. These guys are both very fast and seem pleased with one anothers successes. I have never seen a team dynamic as good as this one. Villeneuve and Scheckter would be the only one.
I also believe that they would work for one another.
However they are both super competitive and the relationship could sour, but neither of them seems to pleasure in making snide remarks and scoring cheap points off their team mate.
Clark and Hill got on well, but there was never any doubt that Clark was the faster. Hill in the Lotus was however the second fastest GP driver at the time. Clark was killed very early in 68 so there was never much opportunity for the tensions to develop and Hill won the championship.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by wnut

Well said!

I think this is probably the best ever team in F1. These guys are both very fast and seem pleased with one anothers successes. I have never seen a team dynamic as good as this one. Villeneuve and Scheckter would be the only one.

I don't know about that, there was Cevert and Stewart, Lauda and Regazzoni, not to mention Andretti and Peterson.

[Chatters]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I certainly believe (having not seen most if not all other team mate combinations mentioned in action) that Vettel and Webber are a fantastic pairing.

I'd also say Button and Hamilton, out of the current crop, however I'm getting sick of Lewis in the media saying he's NOT upset that Button has won two GPs and he's won none. He either clearly is, or he should be. He's getting paid to win championships, why would he be happy with a 3rd and a 2nd out of the first 5 races?

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Chatters

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I certainly believe (having not seen most if not all other team mate combinations mentioned in action) that Vettel and Webber are a fantastic pairing.

I'd also say Button and Hamilton, out of the current crop, however I'm getting sick of Lewis in the media saying he's NOT upset that Button has won two GPs and he's won none. He either clearly is, or he should be. He's getting paid to win championships, why would he be happy with a 3rd and a 2nd out of the first 5 races?

Vettel and Webber are a fantastic pairing but to say they are probably the best ever team in F1, is a little premature.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

I don't know about that, there was Cevert and Stewart, Lauda and Regazzoni, not to mention Andretti and Peterson.

The differences here are that Cevert was nowhere close to Stewart in speed or experience and Stewart was basically his teacher.
Lauda I don't think was very close to Regazzoni - Lauda got what he wanted and Clay just did not take offence and was nowhere near as fast as Lauda.

Peterson needed Andretti to sort the car out, but was blindingly fast once he had the settings, yet Mario's race craft was far superior. I in all honesty don't know what their relationship was like.

Scheckter and Villeneuve were both very quick, although I suspect that Scheckter did most of the development work and Villeneuve drove the wheels off the car, but did support Scheckter's championship at the end of the year. Scheckter had however put himself in the dominant points position by this stage.

Webber and Vettel seem to be fairly even and both blindingly fast although the partnership has probably been shaded by Vettel up to now. Webber has supported the team effort very well, it will be interesting to see what happens if he begins to dominate Vettel on a regular basis!

When they put each other off in the first corner and the blame starts flowing!

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by wnut

The differences here are that Cevert was nowhere close to Stewart in speed or experience and Stewart was basically his teacher.
Lauda I don't think was very close to Regazzoni - Lauda got what he wanted and Clay just did not take offence and was nowhere near as fast as Lauda.

Peterson needed Andretti to sort the car out, but was blindingly fast once he had the settings, yet Mario's race craft was far superior. I in all honesty don't know what their relationship was like.

Scheckter and Villeneuve were both very quick, although I suspect that Scheckter did most of the development work and Villeneuve drove the wheels off the car, but did support Scheckters championship at the end of the year. Scheckter had however put himself in the dominant points position by this stage.

Webber and Vettel seem to be fairly even and both blindingly fast although the partnership has probably been shaded by Vettel up to now. Webber has supported the team effort very well, it will be interesting to see what happens if he begins to dominate Vettel on a regular basis!

When they put each other off in the first corner and the blame starts flowing!

Those are good points but those partnerships brought in good results over more than one season, with the exception of Andretti and Peterson. Vettel and Webber both look good as does the team, so hopefully we will see another great driver partnership.