[Official] Russian Grand Prix 2020: Grand Prix Weekend Thread - Round 10

[tux]

Anyone else find the Sainz crash really weird. Its like he didnt realise the wall was there.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by tux

Anyone else find the Sainz crash really weird. Its like he didnt realise the wall was there.

It was a strange one, it looked like he was trying to avoid the cone!
Now he knows you hit the cone and leave the wall alone!

[wnut]

Originally Posted by Richard Casto

That may be true. But making a stink now is showing feedback for next time. And maybe that is done behind the scenes, but I fully believe that most teams operate in the open via the press in situations like this (when messages need to be sent).

Lewis' complaints for example. He can't undo what was done. But he is complaining (right or wrong). And I think other drivers have complained as well (I think on the drivers penalty points topic).

Richard

Mercedes, and Toto, seldom, if ever complain about decisions, they favour sorting out their problems behind closed doors with the officials concerned.

I think Ascari is right, no point in pursuing the matter as the 10 second penalty is done and in the books.

Somebody was suggesting that Hamilton could have had the penalty added to his race time, which would have been far less of a penalty than it turned out to be.
Is that possible?
I thought it only related to offences in the last few laps.

[Adam43]

If you have a pitstop then it has to be served then, if not it’s added. I don’t believe the lap it’s given on is relevant other than the later it is the less likely it is you have to stop.

In terms of race time it doesn’t make a real difference if running on your own. Although, I guess, the actual pit stop could be fractionally quicker as the mechanics can line up this guns and tyres while the penalty time is being served.

It can be an advantage or disadvantage depending on track position and situation.

If you are ahead and faster, but you lose a place because it is served at a pitstop you may have to overtake to get the place back. If time is added after you only have to pull out the required gap (like Dani Ric did).

If someone is behind you and gaining, but initially you have enough gap, then it is better to serve the penalty through a stop (assuming both need to stop) as if you come out ahead the other quicker driver has to also overtake. If neither of you need to stop then they only need to get closer than the penalty time and no overtaking is needed.

[tux]

Originally Posted by wnut

It was a strange one, it looked like he was trying to avoid the cone!
Now he knows you hit the cone and leave the wall alone!

No i know but he didnt even slow down for the blocks, just drove full speed into the wall.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by tux

No i know but he didnt even slow down for the blocks, just drove full speed into the wall.

Distracted maybe?

[E.B]

Sainz 'angle of attack' was much sharper than the likes of Danny Ric. Danny and others had run off much wider than Sainz, giving them a much straighter path through the cones whereas Sainz was much further to the right, thus having the effect of sharpening the pathway to rejoining.

Clearly a lapse of concentration / misjudgement on his part. Maybe during practice he had ventured through the run off on the shallower angles and did not realise the effect that the approach from further to the right had.

[Tourer]

LH stepping back (at least a little bit) from his comments on Sunday

The usual thing after a few days.

[Aysedasi]

Perfectly reasonable.

[Knowlesy]

Fair enough. Seems to have recognised he has spoken out of turn. We have all been there, me on most days.

Let's just see how mainstream social media has reacted to this apol... ah, err.

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

Fair enough. Seems to have recognised he has spoken out of turn. We have all been there, me on most days.

Let's just see how mainstream social media has reacted to this apol... ah, err.

The words 'rip' and 'shreds' probably come in the description of what social media are doing..... Of course, hypocrisy doesn't exist within social media, does it.....

[chunterer]

We can all get a bit hot under the collar when things happen we don't like.

What adults tend to he able to do though is have at least an inkling of when to keep it zipped. Especially ones in a very fortunate position..

I'm not saying celebrities or those in the public eye have that level of self awareness though!

[Knowlesy]

Most racing drivers don't tend to have that ability straight out of the car! An apology does indicate a bit of self awareness.

Sportsmen are just weird really. Take Vettel for instance, who seems to be very nice and probably the most balanced adult on the grid yet when the pressure is on he is very strange at times. Have we ever heard him back down from his borderline insane behaviour at Baku in 2017 for example?

They are all just oddballs.

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

Most racing drivers don't tend to have that ability straight out of the car! An apology does indicate a bit of self awareness.

Sportsmen are just weird really. Take Vettel for instance, who seems to be very nice and probably the most balanced adult on the grid yet when the pressure is on he is very strange at times. Have we ever heard him back down from his borderline insane behaviour at Baku in 2017 for example?

They are all just oddballs.

I wss on the receiving end of such a meltdown in a Snetterton paddock many moons ago!

Trying to remember what the question was to the hilariously sulky answer I received!!

However Ham had been on the podium and done a bit more post race mucking abaat before he uttered the infamous comment so he'd had time to consider a few things I reckon..

[Greem]

Originally Posted by chunterer

I wss on the receiving end of such a meltdown in a Snetterton paddock many moons ago!

At last year's Walter Hayes Trophy meeting at Silverstone I had to remind three very angry drivers (who decided to have a go at each other and then anyone else in the vicinity) that we were still dealing with their incident, so if they could save the arguments until we were all out of the gravel and back behind the wall I'd appreciate it...

And then that got topped by this! "Let's just stand here and talk about it, shall we?"

[S griffin]

Good old classic Formula Ford action. Who needs downforce?

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by Greem

At last year's Walter Hayes Trophy meeting at Silverstone I had to remind three very angry drivers (who decided to have a go at each other and then anyone else in the vicinity) that we were still dealing with their incident, so if they could save the arguments until we were all out of the gravel and back behind the wall I'd appreciate it...

And then that got topped by this! "Let's just stand here and talk about it, shall we?"

😂 'ooh is that racing cars coming towards us?'

[dsg]

Originally Posted by wnut

mark_l Post #95 this thread:

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi..._version_3.pdf

19) Practice starts
19.1 Practice starts may only be carried out on the right-hand side after the pit exit lights and, for the avoidance of doubt, this includes any time the pit exit is open for the race. Drivers must leave adequate room on their left for another driver to pass.

19.2 For reasons of safety and sporting equity, cars may not stop in the fast lane at any time the pit exit
is open without a justifiable reason (a practice start is not considered a justifiable reason).

It doesn't specifically say you must leave the track and only that you have to move to the right hand side.

It seems like Massi has not been specific enough in the notes, unlike the notes for the previous round. Ron Meadows is an expert in reading the regulations to see what is not said.

If you look at the track on google maps the only place after the pit lights on the right hand side that is not in the fast lane is at the immediate end of the pit complex. Everything after that is the fast lane.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/So...1!4d39.9690264

[RWill2073]

Originally Posted by Greem

There we are then, conclusive proof of Hamilton's endless luck and the team favouring him (rather than being on the wrong tyres, with the wrong position on track and mullering the car round to do enough to get into Q3).

Originally Posted by GT6

Well watched the highlights of quali and was surprised to hear Carlos saying he let hamilton past at the end of session 2 as he thought his earlier time was ok, If he had any sense he would have gone for it and let Hamilton miss the line before the flag. In which case Hamilton would have started 15th with no time recorded and he would have been starting 5th. Sounds horrid but them's the rules.

...you were saying?....