Parity Review Has Been Called

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Of interest… is the Coyote in the MARC car, in some TA2s and those in S5000 afflicted by this ‘driveability’ complaint?

What size throttle body is in use in those applications?

They're searching for answers, I wish they'd just ditch this ridiculous technical parity and put a smaller air restrictor in the camaro then open it up if the mustang becomes too fast.

The category has become a joke.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by bluesport

They're searching for answers, I wish they'd just ditch this ridiculous technical parity and put a smaller air restrictor in the camaro then open it up if the mustang becomes too fast.

Stop blaming Supercars for Ford USA's ****ups.

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Yep, that should be at least 8,500 if not 9,500rpm. They would sound better too!

The point is for technical parity and perfectly equal performance in every way, in any case. 2 x 32-valve engines would make that easier.

No question that the higher RPM would sound great - look at NASCAR - pushrods at 9,000rpm and the sound is awesome. Dollars might be a different story though.

No question that having the engines of the same architecture works better - 30 odd years of 5.0L pushrods showed that - they could have just as easily stuck with pushrod engines but crate motors to cut the costs compared to the previous hand-built engines.

Problem of course is that GM runs pushrods in their production cars and Ford runs DOHC - so they wanted to run something more like the road cars.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Stop blaming Supercars for Ford USA's ****ups.

I just want closer racing, this technical parity BS is dragging on too long and may never be achieved as was promised.

[GreenMachine]

BoP anyone?

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by bluesport

I just want closer racing, this technical parity BS is dragging on too long and may never be achieved as was promised.

Follow a brand that takes advice from people with decades of expertise rather than discarding it and then whining about it as if it's not their fault.

[Mixer]

Another detail I just picked up about the Ford throttle body change:

They are now running ITB instead of a single throttle body.

[GTRMagic]

GIVE THE FORD ENGINE TO KRE AND HAVE THEM PARITISE THE 2 POWERPLANTS!!

KRE tuned and built Ford V8Supercar engines for a number of years

Time to get serious…

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Follow a brand that takes advice from people with decades of expertise rather than discarding it and then whining about it as if it's not their fault.

Get real, you are the first one to whinge when it doesn't suit you.

[bluesport]

It seems that the tyre degradation issue has been resolved but the mustangs are just a bit down on power with the smaller throttle body.

[Ares]

Originally Posted by bluesport

It seems that the tyre degradation issue has been resolved but the mustangs are just a bit down on power with the smaller throttle body.

I'm not sure how you could say the Mustang is down on power without reading lots of data. They looked fast enough today. ADP running down Feeney on the same age tyres. straight line speed looked very even from what I saw. The smaller throttle body dose not equal less power 100% It depends if the larger body was slightly larger than necessary right from the start?

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Ares

I'm not sure how you could say the Mustang is down on power without reading lots of data. They looked fast enough today. ADP running down Feeney on the same age tyres. straight line speed looked very even from what I saw. The smaller throttle body dose not equal less power 100% It depends if the larger body was slightly larger than necessary right from the start?

OK no worries, just an observation from me, Feeney may have used up more tyre than ADP and as I said the tyre degradation issue can probably now be put to bed.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Ares

I'm not sure how you could say the Mustang is down on power without reading lots of data. They looked fast enough today. ADP running down Feeney on the same age tyres. straight line speed looked very even from what I saw. The smaller throttle body dose not equal less power 100% It depends if the larger body was slightly larger than necessary right from the start?

He doesn't need data. His username instantly gives you proof that his opinion is both authoritative and non biased.

[GTRMagic]

Can we put Mr Van Gisbergen in a Mustang for a session and see how fast he can go in it?

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Can we put Mr Van Gisbergen in a Mustang for a session and see how fast he can go in it?

That would be fun.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by bluesport

That would be fun.

Back in the day Mr Brock took Mr Moffat’s Group C Mazda Rx7 prototype for a drive before it was homologated gif racing by CAMS..

Let’s do it…

[banksie]

The complaint from Ben Croke during the press conference was that the Mustang has a small operating window. That doesn't sound like a parity or Supercars issue.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Back in the day Mr Brock took Mr Moffat’s Group C Mazda Rx7 prototype for a drive before it was homologated gif racing by CAMS..

Let’s do it…

I don't remember that, and Giz can't drive Cam Waters' Monster Energy mustang.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by banksie

The complaint from Ben Croke during the press conference was that the Mustang has a small operating window. That doesn't sound like a parity or Supercars issue.

Does he still work for DJR?

I wonder who is responsible for that????

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by bluesport

I don't remember that, and Giz can't drive Cam Waters' Monster Energy mustang.

And probably not Mr Mostert’s Mobil Mustang..

But.. nude the cars… or put a funky test day livery on them, sell models..

And give the best account of the Mustang, with Mr Edwards within earshot..

At Eastern Creek or similar..

Why not?

It would be in Mr van Gisbergens interest to go quicker in the Mustang than his own car…

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

And probably not Mr Mostert’s Mobil Mustang..

But.. nude the cars… or put a funky test day livery on them, sell models..

And give the best account of the Mustang, with Mr Edwards within earshot..

At Eastern Creek or similar..

Why not?

It would be in Mr van Gisbergens interest to go quicker in the Mustang than his own car…

I'm onboard with that idea.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Does he still work for DJR?

I wonder who is responsible for that????

No one, it's the nature of the architecture of a quad cam engine most likely.

[bluesport]

Ford chief Rushbrook ‘frustrated with Supercars’

https://www.speedcafe.com/2023/07/31...ith-supercars/

https://www.v8sleuth.com.au/the-simp...rity-question/

[Mixer]

So after aero, COG, engine map, another aero, and throttle body change...

https://www.v8sleuth.com.au/the-simp...jMuZeOFP_pjJMk

Now there's a straight line speed issue.

Also Ben Croke tells us that the Mustang has the "smallest operating window he has ever seen"

Maybe you should talk about the performance of the homolgating team in building and setting up the car, Mr Croke?

[GTRMagic]

There was other whinging early on that the Gen3 chassis design tweaking was happening with the Chev and not so much the Mustang..

Wonder if the Fordies ran the previous version of Mustang skin if it would solve this mess?