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Perhaps there were some stern instructions in the driver's briefing after Oulton Park. Usually we see a load of dives into the final hairpin but only remember seeing Patterson having a go there today.
Not to say the races were bad. Though I do believe changes could be made to the opening corners that would improve racing (one of the rare times I agree with something Shedden says!) It doesn't help that some of these tracks were designed in the times of much narrower cars. |
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What exactly did Dick Bennett’s say about the lack of overtaking? Anyone got a link?
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maybe Hill will have to support Turkington's bid soon ? Tingram 195 Cook 192 Turkington 183 Sutton 171 Hill 154 Butcher 137 |
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I dunno tbh, it doesn't seem much different to me. Although i do think that hybrid has added nothing from a viewing stand point, not that i think it was meant to.
Seems to me you get two types of races. Processional and the ones where somebody can just drive past most of the field without much of a fight. As for WTCR, dreadful, it wasn't good for a long time before the TCR rules but the TCR rules (in WTCR) have produced nothing but boring racing. |
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26 Jun 2022, 22:10 (Ref:4117136) | #182 | |
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The intention of the rules to create very equal cars has resulted in the 'action' reducing. The top teams and drivers are all so close, that over-taking is difficult because it is hard to find enough speed differential in a suitable place. That, combined with the current rules for race 2 & 3 grids means the guys fighting for the championship aren't going to take many risks as it isn't worth ruining your weekend.
I think using 2nd fastest times from qualifying for the R2 grid would help things. It would stop an issue in R1 from destroying your whole weekend and also add some more natural shake-ups of the starting order. |
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That’s actually a superb idea to form the race 2 grid by the second fastest quali times, I’d support that 100%
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26 Jun 2022, 22:40 (Ref:4117139) | #184 | |
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they could also add a JOKER , each driver is allowed to cut a certain chicane once during a race after lap 3 so he can easy pass , of course where tracks would allow such thing like Thruxton or Croft for example
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I spent the weekend there on one of my few excursions for modern racing . My thoughts -
-the cars are fast, well driven (with one exception) but sound horrible , struggle to overtake easily and , as is the norm have godawful livery . The exception was Plato , who I saw deliberately drive into a car overtaking him. Maybe it's what punters like ,but I don't . - big , well behaved crowd (only one drunk) and less litter than usual. But Jesus , what is it with BTCC fans that even on a dry day they have to erect view- obstructing gazebos and , in one case , virtually a bloody marquee ? - Porsche grid was thin , and racing poor ,with some real amateur hour stuff at the back . Why do we even have it ? - F4 - just when you think single seaters can't sound any worse ... Quick though and looked a right handful over bumps. But like every slicks and wings single seater , overtaking wasn't easy, or common - Ginettas were fab, almost like FF1600 races of yore , and the crowd responded to them more vocally than touring cars . Minis entertaining too . |
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27 Jun 2022, 07:01 (Ref:4117146) | #189 | ||
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Probably frustration (no excuse though) on Platos part otherwise. Those BTC cars look painfully slow under acceleration and people were driving past him on both sides. Must be their problem though as there were other M-Sport cars who didn't seem to have the same issue. |
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27 Jun 2022, 07:27 (Ref:4117149) | #190 | |
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Painful to watch on TV, in general a poor day.
Overtaking nearly impossible due to the awful circuit design. Dangerous as well, the only way to get a pass is to risk a very serious accident . Very lucky there was'nt a repeat of Thompson's recent accident It needs a major redesign or BTCC simply dont use it again please !!. It has shown a problem with the hybrids too heavy and not enough power. Weak suspension why do they not allow to stronger tie bars ? Porsche two races with 11 Cars or less. Tv Padding or what !! zzzzz Well done to Lloyd !! |
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I disagree about 'painfully slow under acceleration ' - any tin top which laps Croft in the low twenties is very quick indeed . |
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At least we're not missing rounds with them on other support packages, but just seeing one race every other meeting - if we're lucky - with at least one on the Saturday that's not broadcast, I have no idea who's at the top of the standings, what happened last race, etc. Feels like I've seen about 2 or 3 races of each and we're at the halfway point. Especially when the replacements aren't much good - Ginetta GT5 is ok, but not on a weekend with the Juniors in the same car. Ditto GT Academy at Oulton with the Supercup also racing. The little MINIs are ok but does feel too slow and amateur for the BTCC package, and more often than not results in long yellow-flag and red flag period (shocked it was green all the way yesterday!). The less said about Porsche Sprint, the better... F4 I think has been better this year (not a particularly high bar, to be fair...) but annoying to see two races on most Sundays (yes they have three races, but seems it's the MINIs gettijng the shaft every weekend.) |
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The alternative could be to have two qualifying sessions of say 20 minutes each one after the other. I think starting race 2 in the finishing order of race 1 does nothing for the racing, also if you have a bad race 1, that's pretty much your weekend over.
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Well done to Lloyd, two wins after it looking like he might not be here after all. Good to see Colin getting strong results, on his boss' b'day too
Shedden deserved that R3 win after the bad luck he's had so far. Nice to see Chilton up there in the top ten, he's been get a lot of criticism lately, so it's nice to see him turn things around Title's really getting interesting now with a strong weekend from Tingram and damage limitation from Cookie |
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Sorry, as BertMk2 has already pointed out, circuit racing is deemed to be a no contact form of motorsport. I suggest that if you want to see cars biffing and bashing into each other, then go and watch stadium racing where you'll witness plenty. There was one class that was an exception to those rules which used current era road cars that were highly tuned and were no contact was permitted. The drivers of those cars were exceptional, the racing was really tight with overtaking even though the circuits were exceeding narrow and short, yet the cars would finish almost unscathed. This is my memory from the 70s and 80s at what was then my local track at Bovingdon. As I have written before, it is driving standards that desperately need to be improved, with drivers respecting their competitors and appreciating that even the lightest of touches can result in huge repair bills. Possibly if each driver came individually responsible for paying the repair bills for contact that they caused to another car they might well stop their antics. |
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