2017 Australian GT Championship

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by one five five

The Australian GT Championship is not aimed at pleasing the spectator. It's aim is the please the gentleman drivers and ensuring they are enjoying their motor racing, as they are the one's that pay to get the cars on the grid.

Some whinging spectators is the very least of their worries

That is false and a fabrication.

the proof is the sprint rounds went back to supercars events where there were crowds and tv coverage because competitors wanted it

your assumption that aust gt is aimed at pleasing gentleman drivers is also false, maybe once, but not anymore when we have "factory"supported teams and pro drivers competing

but then based on their website, amateur would be correct and i can see why you would think it

[D.R.T.]

Time to move on.

The timed pit stop approach is here for 2017 and its noted that some posters don't like it. Its not changing for 2017 so probably time to look forward to Round 2 at the Australian Grand Prix circuit.

Championship standings after Round 1
http://australiangt.com.au/australia...nship-results/

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Time to move on.

The timed pit stop approach is here for 2017 and its noted that some posters don't like it. Its not changing for 2017 so probably time to look forward to Round 2 at the Australian Grand Prix circuit.

Championship standings after Round 1
http://australiangt.com.au/australia...nship-results/

sort of like street races hey

We got the tv package changed, no reason we cant campaign for this to change before the end of the season

[peckstar]

DIGITAL DISPLAYS TO BECOME STANDARD FROM GRAND PRIX

handy for data, but surely obscures vision

[one five five]

Originally Posted by peckstar

the proof is the sprint rounds went back to supercars events where there were crowds and tv coverage because competitors wanted it

Yes, the competitors wanted it

The ones who pay the bills for the cars to be on the grid. Most of the competitors in the field are gentleman drivers

Originally Posted by peckstar

your assumption that aust gt is aimed at pleasing gentleman drivers is also false, maybe once, but not anymore when we have "factory"supported teams and pro drivers competing

The "factory supported teams" at Clipsal amounted to what, 1 Audi, 1 Mclaren, 1 Porsche and 1 BMW... and one might assume the Porsche was only on the grid thanks to Liam Talbot's funding...

4 cars in a grid of 27, the rest of the cars are primarily funded by the wealthy drivers who employ a "pro" to co-drive if they wish

If you don't cede to the gentleman drivers wishes, then there is no AGT, full stop.

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by one five five

British GT Championship for example

http://www.britishgt.com/about/british-gt

Not remotely the same thing:

Originally Posted by British GT

PIT-STOP AND DRIVE-TIME REGULATIONS
In races lasting one hour the top three finishers in each class from the previous round must respectively serve an additional 10, 7, 5 second success penalty during their mandatory pit-stop. During races lasting two hours or longer the top three finishers in each class from the previous round must respectively serve an additional 20, 15 and 10-second success penalty during their mandatory pit-stop.

Whereas Australian GT gives you extra time for a) grid position (up to 20 seconds extra for a 1h race) and then another penalty based on driver ratings that can easily be in excess of 30 seconds...

http://docs.cams.com.au/Manual/Sport...ersion%201.pdf

[scudd]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Yeah pretty much, the system works if there is no SC , but as soon as there is a SC then the system is in ruins.

but that aside, dont like watching guys sitting stationary in the pits for no real reason other than to penalise the fast drivers

I understand why they do it and why it is necessary, but its horrible as a spectator

lots of opinions. i'll reply to each post I feel needs comment on.

GT entrants don't care about spectators at the track (as half of them aren't watching, or haven't arrived or have left by race time) as much as caring about TV time and exposure. might help with the tax man.

[scudd]

Originally Posted by Oldtony

Hope it didn't spoil your trip to Adelaide too much Pecky

Meanwhile congratulations to Scudd. Great drives and a very well managed weekend.

thanks tony

[scudd]

Originally Posted by Rodger Davies

I agree with you completely on that one - it's one thing to impose BoP on faster drivers, but using a method that comes entirely down to the timing of incidents unrelated to the drivers in question makes no sense to me. Limiting driver grades, weight penalties, grid penalties; all of these make much fairer driver equalisation IMO.

GT are trying to cater for all entrants and scenarios which is impossible for every round. sometimes you'll get a lucky break with the safety car, sometimes not. last year I benefitted with the safety car if all the pros started the race, other times I've had the safety car at the end of the race with pros behind me and I was hosed.

[scudd]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

All those things come at a cost, in particular weight penalties which I dont see how they would make anything 'fairer'.

It is important to remember that the sprint series is catered towards the competitors (and in particular the amateur competitors) rather than spectators in terms of a business model.

correct. around 20 private entries. no privateers, no GT racing.

[scudd]

Originally Posted by peckstar

oh it was a great start alright, watching great drivers in great cars sit in the pits for up to 40 seconds while lesser drivers in older cars steam of into the sunset (sunrise)

How about the mercedes hey, no where at bathurst, suddenly a race winner, Had a discussion with an old poster on speedcafe, he didnt think the merc could do it

teams and drivers now the rules before they arrive in Adelaide. everyone knows a pro with an AM isn't going to win a race in Adelaide. track is too tight and you can lose seconds trying to pass slower cars, and races are too short to get an advantage. a fast AM can win races and the round, as was demonstrated again this year, like last year. had I of entered with Dave Russell, I wouldn't of finished on the podium. not because of his pace, but because of the extended pit stop time added.

[scudd]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Meantime, will the 2 wrecked Lamborghinis be repaired or are they out for the season/forever

wouldn't say forever. probably new shell and/or new rear fame.

[scudd]

Originally Posted by one five five

The current rules attract big grids for the class, I don't see what people are whinging about? If the competitors didn't like the rules, they would have pulled out and the grids would be waning.

correct

[scudd]

Originally Posted by peckstar

on the subject of waning "record" 27 car field to start the weekend. 21 cars started race 3. Thats big drop out

better than 13 cup cars that ended being 12 in the last race.

[scudd]

Originally Posted by Bcarr6

It's a massive shame when people like come Ledogar and Kevin Van Der Linde can't have a fair fight for the win.

correct.

they get their chance at the GP.

4 races.

2 car teams, highest seeded driver in Q1, R1 and R3. other driver in Q2, R2 and R4.

no pit stop penalties, just balls out racing.

[scudd]

Originally Posted by Matt

Citation please.

Also not a fan that some cars are allowed to have a single driver, while others have two. Do either all single driver, or all two driver pairings. They make a series that could be so, very good, absolutely needlessly complicated.

only single driver won't work as some need added $$$ or set up assistance.

2 driver won't work as some enjoy driving alone, considering the budget spent.

[scudd]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

what is 'very good' for you Matt is probably not 'very good' for the competitors fronting $1,000,000 a season to put a car on track.

correct

[scudd]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Gt3 was the worst category at the Clipsal

didn't know you are a cup car fan since only 13 on the grid?

[scudd]

Originally Posted by peckstar

they dont need tv coverage or crowds. (didnt they want to do they just a few months ago)

Quinn wanted this, no one else.

Quinn wanted to go to Simmons Plains, no one else.

Quinn wanted sprint and endure rounds on the same weekend, no one else.

Quinn wanted the last sprint round in NZ, no one else.

[scudd]

Originally Posted by one five five

The Australian GT Championship is not aimed at pleasing the spectator. It's aim is the please the gentleman drivers and ensuring they are enjoying their motor racing, as they are the one's that pay to get the cars on the grid.

Some whinging spectators is the very least of their worries

correct

[scudd]

Originally Posted by peckstar

That is false and a fabrication.

the proof is the sprint rounds went back to supercars events where there were crowds and tv coverage because competitors wanted it

again, maybe it's about the tax man?

[scudd]

Originally Posted by peckstar

We got the tv package changed,

err, the entrants got the package changed.

no reason we cant campaign for this to change before the end of the season

enjoy wasting your time.

[scudd]

Originally Posted by one five five

Yes, the competitors wanted it

The ones who pay the bills for the cars to be on the grid. Most of the competitors in the field are gentleman drivers




The "factory supported teams" at Clipsal amounted to what, 1 Audi, 1 Mclaren, 1 Porsche and 1 BMW... and one might assume the Porsche was only on the grid thanks to Liam Talbot's funding...

4 cars in a grid of 27, the rest of the cars are primarily funded by the wealthy drivers who employ a "pro" to co-drive if they wish

If you don't cede to the gentleman drivers wishes, then there is no AGT, full stop.

all comments are spot on.

[Axeman444]

Well i think that is the end of that argument...

Thanks for the input Roger.

[velly4]

Wow, bloody hard to argue with someone who knows what actually goes on, spends large sums of his own money to do so and competes quite successfully considering its basically a hobby.

Well said scudd