WEC Race 6 Hours of Spa - Page 9

Toyotats03OUS · 29 Apr 2023, 16:59 (Ref:4153629)

Ferrari top speed and grip issue might be related to aerodynamics set up. they might be running a lower drag set up then the competition. I dont know if their top speed compare to the toyotas top speed might be an indication of that.

**Bentley03** · 29 Apr 2023, 16:59 (Ref:4153630)

Cracking race, thoroughly enjoyed it and for me it was probably the most enjoyable WEC race for several years. A fantastic appetiser for Le Mans.

Just hope the Cadillac crash doesn't lead to a withdrawal, it looked like a write-off.

Toyotats03OUS · 29 Apr 2023, 17:01 (Ref:4153631)

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Originally Posted by TCT

That's a pity because some of the best racing is there.
(in LMP2)

At least that category is unpredictable and there are lots of cars that can win or at the very least finish on the podium.

I know you wish to have that in the hypercar category, but LMP2 is a spec car, the hypercar category is not. much harder or impossible to achieve equal balance.

crooky · 29 Apr 2023, 17:05 (Ref:4153633)

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Originally Posted by J Jay

That is happening, but to make more room for LMH/LMDH & GT3-LM entries, LMP2 is also being axed from the WEC.

Right okay thanks. It feels like the LMP2 class is better than ever. But I guess that's partly down to a number of teams and drivers being blooded for an entry into Hypercar.

LMP2 will remain at the 24 Hours of Le Mans for a few years extra though?

DasModell · 29 Apr 2023, 17:06 (Ref:4153634)

super race ..

regarding the Caddy .. I seem to remember Bourdais saying their car is not in Europe, not sure about the context, hope he wasn't talking about the IMSA car

LMP2s should not be axed for next year, think they deserve at least one more

TCT · 29 Apr 2023, 17:06 (Ref:4153635)

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Originally Posted by crooky

LMP2 will remain at the 24 Hours of Le Mans for a few years extra though?

Yes that is the plan

TCT · 29 Apr 2023, 17:07 (Ref:4153636)

Quote:

Originally Posted by DasModell

regarding the Caddy .. I seem to remember Bourdais saying their car is not in Europe, not sure about the context, hope he wasn't talking about the IMSA car

I think this was not the IMSA car but another car.

No?

Toyotats03OUS · 29 Apr 2023, 17:08 (Ref:4153637)

Quote:

Originally Posted by DasModell

super race ..

regarding the Caddy .. I seem to remember Bourdais saying their car is not in Europe, not sure about the context, hope he wasn't talking about the IMSA car

LMP2s should not be axed for next year, think they deserve at least one more

He said that their car is in the states, and that the car the they destroyed is the back up car for the number 2 cadillac

Mike E · 29 Apr 2023, 17:09 (Ref:4153638)

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Originally Posted by Simmi

On the whole that was a good one. P2 and GT-Am stepped up. Will be kinda sad to see a third class disappear next year as we'll lose an entire race within the race - especially when Toyota are comfortable at the top of Hypercar.

The races could feel quite different next year with a large Hypercar field and a big performance gap to GT3. Those Bronze GT drivers better keep their eyes on their mirrors because I don't think the prototype drivers will be taking any prisoners.

crooky · 29 Apr 2023, 17:12 (Ref:4153639)

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Originally Posted by TCT

Yes that is the plan

Thanks. I've clearly not been doing my homework the past few seasons. Good to catch-up in these exciting times for the series.

That's the best Spa WEC race I've seen in quite a few years and a tasty appetizer for the big one coming up.

Toyota are massive favourites now but it doesn't dampen my enthusiasm. The grid as a whole just gives such good racing that it's going to be brilliant regardless whether or not Toyota walk it at the front.

KlBD · 29 Apr 2023, 17:35 (Ref:4153642)

Quote:

Originally Posted by DasModell

super race ..

regarding the Caddy .. I seem to remember Bourdais saying their car is not in Europe, not sure about the context, hope he wasn't talking about the IMSA car

LMP2s should not be axed for next year, think they deserve at least one more

It was reported that Ganassi & Action Express will use entirely new cars for their participations in Spa & Le Mans this year because it was decided it is easier for them to build a new car using the FIA spec electronic systems than to change the IMSA cars to the FIA wiring. So yes, the yellow Cadillac that crashed today and the #311 Whelen Cadillac that you will see at Le Mans are not the cars these teams use to compete in IMSA.

Mike E · 29 Apr 2023, 18:15 (Ref:4153643)

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Originally Posted by DasModell

LMP2s should not be axed for next year, think they deserve at least one more

Of the LMP2 teams competing this year, Prema (Lamborghini), WRT (BMW), Alpine (Alpine) and Vector Sport (Isotta Fraschini) will be stepping up to Hypercar next year. That leaves 3 cars in LMP2 (Inter Europol, 2x United Autosports).

**Adam43** · 29 Apr 2023, 18:26 (Ref:4153646)

A BoP thread: https://tentenths.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=121

It will be perfect for the lead up to and for use in the next races…

Simmi · 29 Apr 2023, 18:32 (Ref:4153647)

I didn't catch this on the broadcast but a JOTA mechanic was clipped in the pits. Speedy recovery.

https://twitter.com/JotaSport/status...76690541166601

**Adam43** · 29 Apr 2023, 18:35 (Ref:4153648)

I’ve just seen the JOTA go off at Raidillon and the front end go up. How did that not flip. Phew!

**Bentley03** · 29 Apr 2023, 19:02 (Ref:4153654)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simmi

I didn't catch this on the broadcast but a JOTA mechanic was clipped in the pits. Speedy recovery.

https://twitter.com/JotaSport/status...76690541166601

I'm sure it wasn't reported during the broadcast. Not good!

**Adam43** · 29 Apr 2023, 20:21 (Ref:4153671)

Please bookmark and use this BoP thread. https://tentenths.com/forum/showthre...=157179&page=7

Especially at Le Mans.

Thank you.

Edit:
BoP discussion in a BoP thread. Fill your boots. We’ll stick to the current race in the race threads. Danke.

**Adam43** · 29 Apr 2023, 20:22 (Ref:4153672)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simmi

I didn't catch this on the broadcast but a JOTA mechanic was clipped in the pits. Speedy recovery.

https://twitter.com/JotaSport/status...76690541166601

hope he has a speedy recovery.

TCT · 29 Apr 2023, 21:59 (Ref:4153699)

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCT

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toyotats03OUS

the number 2 started with rain tyres.

You sure?

According to timing I get this for pit stops:

Pit stops: #2 - Cadillac Racing
IN LAPPIT IN TIMEPREV STINT DURATIONPREV STINT LAPSYELLOW LAPSPIT OUT TIMESTOP DURATION
34 14:09:55 01:20:40 33 10 14:11:04 00:01:09
61 15:19:44 01:08:39 27 11 15:21:16 00:01:31
85 16:13:24 00:52:08 24 4 16:14:47 00:01:22

TOTAL STOPS 3 TOTAL PIT TIME 00:04:03
SHORTEST 00:01:09
AVERAGE 00:01:21
LONGEST 00:01:31

According Endurance-Info you were right about the #2
https://www.endurance-info.com/auto/...rari-en-gte-am

It is in French but "Choix des pneumatiques" means tire choice.
And "pluie" is the French word for rain.

But the pitstop data I got that from the timing.
They can not have gone for 34 laps on rain tires, right?

So in the end it was not rain tires or most likely the data from pitstops is wrong?

**Adam43** · 29 Apr 2023, 22:05 (Ref:4153701)

The #2 caddy stopped on lap 9 and lap 34. Then 61, 85, 112 and finally on 130.

#2 was doing really well from the go, but then had to stop for the obvious.

I’m still impressed with the drivability of that Caddy. Really looked like they could hustle it. And I guess that helped getting the new tires up to temperature after the stops.

hondafan37 · 30 Apr 2023, 02:09 (Ref:4153719)

I have the feeling that the Ferraris were there to win today,
They lost almost 2 laps in the first Safety car, when they were in the indicated strategy at that moment.
In the last hour the Ferrari 51 was the fastest of all the time and the Ferrari 50 was faster than the 51.
I just wonder what would have happened if a Safety Car left with 15 or 10 minutes to go. Would it have been Ferrari's first win?

**Adam43** · 30 Apr 2023, 02:13 (Ref:4153720)

I agree they were looking good. They need to warm their tires quicker - I think that might have hampered them irrespective of all the other stuff that you say.

The Caddy needs more pace. I bet that’s the most fun to drive.
Porsche needs pace too, but they seem to be there on managing a race.

Which reminds me, need to do the power rankings…

Mike E · 30 Apr 2023, 05:58 (Ref:4153724)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Success ballast for this round:

https://www.endurance-info.com/auto/...last-du-gte-am

Corvette is up a whopping 45kg!

#33 Corvette crew now on 82 points. Second place is the #83 Richard Mille Ferrari on 43... They're going to need to strap an anchor to that Vette.

Sodemo · 30 Apr 2023, 06:42 (Ref:4153728)

I think yesterdays Ferrari crash typifies my issue with Eurosport coverage. You have one of the leading cars crashing out of the race and Eurosport are showing some fluff piece to camera about the weather report. Granted they couldn’t have predicted the Ferrari was going to crash at that moment but when it did they should have scrubbed that great bit of journalism and cut back to the main feed, not have the action play out in silence via the split screen.

GT6 · 30 Apr 2023, 10:00 (Ref:4153772)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

I think yesterdays Ferrari crash typifies my issue with Eurosport coverage. You have one of the leading cars crashing out of the race and Eurosport are showing some fluff piece to camera about the weather report. Granted they couldn’t have predicted the Ferrari was going to crash at that moment but when it did they should have scrubbed that great bit of journalism and cut back to the main feed, not have the action play out in silence via the split screen.

i was watching that and wondered if the interview was recorded or live, i assumed as it was live they stuck with it, seemed strange but that is what they decided to do

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