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in fairness though, some of those names in red are actual technical partners as well as sponsors so there is a difference imo.
but to the larger point, indeed the names have always been up for sale in some form or another...its just happens to be App culture consumer product heavy these days. arguably this is still better than the cig culture heavy old days but oddly less elegant for some reason. those cig companies really knew how to spin a luxurious image. |
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I imagine the most impactful technical partners are those in the space of fuel and lubricants in which there is absolutely a need for "custom solutions" for the teams. The are what I would call true technical partners. In the end, my point is that sponsors (even technical partners) come and go. And we may be seeing an erosion of any type of "team branding" or "team identity" as naming rights move closer and closer to 100% full team naming rights. For example... what is to stop a team like Alpha Tauri to dropping the "RB" part of their name and just being named 100% whatever a sponsor wants. They could be "Louis Vuitton F1" one year and "Nike F1" the next with no indication of who the core team is or was in the past (i.e. Torro Rosso, Minardi, etc.) Team's that have a "brand" of their own "McLaren", "Williams" that is rooted in a garagista past may keep those for a while. But look at something like Sauber. They are probably going to sink under the surface as a legacy name in the near future (probably Audi will be something like "Audi F1" and not "Audi Sauber F1", but who knows). Richard |
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not sure if thats still a rule but kind of recall some issues with the FI/RP/AM name change over tho. but of course someone like LV or Nike could always kick in an extra 20m or whatever to make up for it if they really wanted some sort exclusive name deal...so yeah nothing to stop it other than money! #TeamCashGrab |
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All this name changing is just evolution really, because historically the team was originally Minardi, then Stoddart before he subsequently sold it to Mateschitz and it was rebranded again, this time as Toro Rosso.
Maybe it should be called the Faenza team? |
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Someone’s always pushing the limit! With only 10 teams and a reluctance to allow in new teams, perhaps more effort should be spent enforcing the independence of each constructor? At least to the extent that is still possible?
Maybe the other teams are right to be talking about this. |
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